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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Yes, there will no doubt be lots of heavy coppers today . Here is some counterbalance with 25 g of silver from the other side of the Channel, so that we don't tip over completely!

France, 1797-98 (year 6 in the revolutionary calendar), 5 francs, Perpignan (Q).

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very nice piece erafjel

here a metallic in-between : a silver plated brass jeton made in Neuremberg (32 mm, 10 gram) probably by the minthouse founded by Ernst Ludwig Siegmund Lauer (1762-1845)

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the topic is the first Italian Campaign of Napoleon Bonaparte (1796/7), characterized by an amazing series of French victories against a numerical superial coalition of Austrian & Italian troops

an earlier type of this jeton (1796, Hennin 767) was a subject I posted long ago in another thread; of historic interest as the 1796 type represents the first metallic portrait of a then still unknown general:
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Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper token (c 1840s) C/S on 1797 penny.
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Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper was a UK Sunday paper that aimed to bring objective news at a reasonable price. With increasing literacy rates among the poor, one of the goals of the paper was to give them something affordable to read. The paper was published from 1842 to 1931 (as Sunday News after 1924)
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1797 UK.
2 Pence - George III 2nd issue; 'Cartwheel'.
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This one is a bit beat up; I found it in a dealer's junk bin a couple decades ago and got it just because of how impressively large it is. Another UK penny...
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Here's another big cartwheel, this one counterstamped on both sides

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A second one:

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And a rather rough evasion halfpenny:

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1796 Large Cent, S-87

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And one of my favorites, a muled Conder token with a 1796-dated Chesterfield reverse and a 1791-dated Macclesfield obverse (D&H Ches 78) that was actually overstruck on yet another token (you can see a few faint parts of the undertype or original design on the "1796" side, by the star, e.g.)

These "mules" were almost certainly struck that way on purpose, most likely sell to collectors or as advertising/promotional pieces.

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Good to see you 1c5d.

1796 Papal States - Ancona 2 1/2 Baiocchi. Unsurprisingly nicknamed a "sampietrino."
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1796 Bologna 1 Scudo
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The best I can do for 1796 is this French Two Decimes (20 centimes) issued in Year 4 of the Republican Calendar (1795-6) and then revalued in Year 5 (1796-7) at One Decime (10 centimes). There's a pretty good chance that this coin was either struck or modified during 1796:
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thx tdziemia

two 1796 Neuremberg brass jetons related to the first Italian Campaign of Napoleon Bonaparte (March 1796 - May 1797)


Obverse: bust of general Bonaparte to the right, in uniforme BUONOPARTE GENERAL EN CHEF DE LA BRAVE ARMEE DITALLIE (sic)

Revere: Minerva, sitting on war trophees, holding in the right hand a branch of olive and a branch of oak, and resting with the left hand on a shield with axe & fasces VOILA SOLDATS VALEUREUX LE FRUIT DE VOS TRAVAUX below 1796

Hennin 767 is the more common variant (R1) in which the uniform on the obverse is all buttoned up
Hennin 768 is the rare variant (R3) in which the upper buttons of the uniform are opened

What makes these pieces interesting is that they represent the first metallic portrait of Napoleon, the first of an endless series on coins &medals from that date on

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I love the representation of the fasces and ax design on the reverse.

Historical jetons are always pleasant to see. I have a few but not until quite a bit later (in time) / earlier (in years) for this thread.
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Quite a nice variety of very interesting examples for the year 1796!
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1795 is the earliest date of U.S. coinage in my type collection. Many years ago, I realized that 1795 was a good year to build a very early copper and silver date set as all the 1795 issues are part of one to four year types and are generally the most attainable of those types.

Half Cent, plain edge, PCGS VF20.
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Large cent, plain edge, PCGS F12.
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Half Dime, NGC VF25 CAC.
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Half dollar, PCGS F15.
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Flowing hair dollar, NGC F12.
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Bust dollar, PCGS VF30 CAC.
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hokiefan - that's a gorgeous 1795 date set!

My sole contribution for 1795 is a Sardinian 20 solidi:
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