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Edited by chumrobarge
03/14/2006 11:12 am
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Forum Mom
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The pictures are a little small to differentiate between MS grades, but from the small hits I see on the obverse, I'd say it should be MS64. I don't think any of them are large enough or distracting enough to lower the grade to 63, but they are too severe for a 65 in my opinion. It is really a beautiful coin and the reverse is awesome!!  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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chumrobarge, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I believe this 82CC Morgan is a circulated coin, at least based on the images. On the obverse, the hair over Liberty's ear and above her forehead is not as sharply defined as is typical of the normally well-struck 1882-CCs. To me, it looks like it has just a little bit of wear, even on the image which shows the most detail (the fifth down, just above the reverse). My opinion is reinforced by the weakness of the breast feathers on the reverse's Eagle which I would attribute to wear. I could be wrong since my opinion is based on images, always a risky proposition; if you could get even better images, we might be able to make a better assessment. I have a PCGS MS-66 82CC which I used for comparison. From the images, I would say AU-55 or AU-58. But secondly, NNC has a history of over-grading from three to as many as eleven grades. I have bought NNC "Mint State 67" Morgans on speculation which actually graded out to XF-45. It would not surprise me if NNC gave this Morgan an MS-67. NNC is a non-tiered (not ranked) grading company and is not listed as a reputable grading service. For further details and comments on the reputable services, see: http://rg.ancients.info/guide/slabs.htmlhttp://www.pngdealers.com/public/su...results.htmlNotice that NNC is not mentioned along with several dozen other one- or two-person self-serving grading companies, most established to boost the value of their own coins. I'm sure I'm not exactly making your day, but there's always hope that I'm wrong. Far too often, as we've learned here, it's just too darned difficult to grade coins from images. There's nothing like having one in hand. |
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your right about the pictures, they are not as well defined as I want them to be. If I had a scanner it would be better I guess. The hair is defined in when you see it in person, the B&W picture shows it better. I didnt have much light when I took these pictures. The part that I was most worried about is the eyebrow. it has heavier contact marks. this really is a great coin but my digi camera seems to pick out the worst in it. I need to learn more about making large detailed pictures. any ideas? I will have a scanner/copier next week. Do those work well?
from my own opinion I would say that it is uncirculated, Because when its in front of you its easier to see the full mint luster with only slight contact marks, like it was from a bag. not sure, maybe I wil try scanning a photo next week. thanks for the input everyone. you are very helpful in teaching me more about coins. Ive just started collecting less then a year now and I'm learning alot. hope to hear more!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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chumrobarge, I see you have the NNC MS-66 1882CC listed on ebay. If the Morgan is as nice as you think it is and you want maximum value for it, you might consider pulling the auction, submitting the coin to one of the top-tiered TPGs (PCGS, NGC, and ANACS), then listing it again. With the NNC slab on it, it isn't gonna bring in more than a raw coin of maybe MS-60 or lower; the NNC is a mark against it given NNC's reputation for grading sliders and AU coins as MS. With a reputable grading service's slab on the Morgan, you'll get much closer to what the coin is worth, more than making up for the cost of grading. JMHO. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would have to say by looking at my MS-64 82CC graded by NGC this one maybe a MS-62
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United States
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I'd say MS-63 obverse 65 reverse net grad MS-64. Definitely uncirculated in my opinion. The reverse looks great from what I see but there is a little light chatter on the obverse. I notice by your photo angles you are doing your best to show any problems. There are a few rubs on the obverse but that looks like like it brushed the frost off the coin maybe making it look like wear to others. My guess at the NNC grade would be overall MS-64. |
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NNC graded it at MS-66. He's got it for sale on ebay and the bidding is up to about MS-64.5 price ($450) last I checked, above his Reserve. The auction ends in a few minutes (about 7:30pm Sun 19 Mar). Looks like he's gonna do OK, but not for MS-66 prices. |
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chumrobarge, I see you have relisted the 82CC Morgan, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=8402299548so I presume your first auction fell through. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...m=8395293852Sorry to hear that, but NNC's reputation is such that any coin in an NNC slab is suspect and you will not realize the actual value of the Morgan if it is as nice as you think it is and as it appears in the images unless you are just trying to get rid of it. I think you would be ahead of the game, financially if you were to crack it out of the NNC slab and submit it to one of the top-tiered TPGs (ANACS would be my choice), then sell it. Of course, this won't work if my initial impression is correct and the Morgan is, in fact a slider (AU-58, just barely circulated). Good luck on your auction. Fred |
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Chumrobarge, NNC is not really a respected third party grading company. As such, don't you think you may be a little misleading in your auction calling it a certified MS66? I understand that you want to recoup your money for the coin, but unless you really feel that it is a 66 coin, do you think it's the best thing to resell this coin as a certified MS66? Another collector will end up just like you did. Just a little food for thought.
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Posted 03/13/2006 11:41 pm
