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Hi!  Maybe some help? I've asked about this coin few months ago but nobody didn't know anything about them, maybe this time will be better   Silver Diameter: about 11mm Thanks for help! Edited by Sap
02/21/2009 05:20 am
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One side probably says "Mohammed is Great" or something akin to that. Looks like a silver Dirham from the 800-1100 period.
This is just a W A G!!
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Ben
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First pic: The writing is "Abdulrahman.....!"
Second pic is not visible enough.
Sorry Bonedigger but I cant read anything that is similar to "Mohammed is Great"
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OK, I've tried to make something with the second photo and here's the result. I hope it is now a little bit more readable:  I've taken also another photo of the reverse:  If it is necessary I can take the better photo at Monday |
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Edited by Bonedigger
02/20/2009 6:47 pm
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Here's the old thread, and this coin is last non-identified one in it. Since we've now got a separate thread for this coin, the other thread can be moved out of here. OK, I've looked at the coin some more, and re-read the references, and I'm now pretty sure it's a clipped 'Abbasid dirham. The bottom pic shows the second part of the Kalima: "Mohammed rasul Allah" (Mohammad is the messenger of Allah) and the fourth line is a word which should be either the Caliph's name (if it's silver), or the name of the city or governor responsible for the coin (if it's copper). Alas, I can't match the word to anything. I should ask, because the last pic does look a bit coppery, while all the other pics look silvery - is it silver, or copper? 'Abbasid coppers aren't very well studied.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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02/20/2009 10:31 pm
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I think this is a fractional dirhem of 'Abd ur-Rahman (Amirs of Sind) (Deyell#15)
Obverse Kufic Allah Nafahu/'Abd Ur-Rahman/Wa Nasrat (in three lines)
Reverse Kufik Allah/Muhammad/Rasul/Allah/'Abd Ur-Rahman (in five lines)
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One side probably says "Mohammed is Great" or something akin to that. Bonedigger seems you got the word "Mohammed" wright  , but I still cant identify it. May be becuse of the condition.  Edited by EgCollector
02/21/2009 04:35 am
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I think this is a fractional dirhem of 'Abd ur-Rahman (Amirs of Sind) (Deyell#15) Ah, yes. There it is, right there in my nice new Indian Sultanates catalogue, where it's numbered AS6.  Here's the Zeno example. In my defence, I suppose I should have noticed in the OP where DagonX gave the diameter. I was assuming this coin was quite large, like regular Islamic dirhams, but by the book, these coins are indeed tiny, only 0.5 grams and 10 to 12mm across. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Wow, thanks a lot for help! I thought that I'll never ID this coin One more time, thanks! PS. Does somebody know when Abd Al-Rahman reigned? Edited by DagonX
02/21/2009 08:53 am
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Bonedigger seems you got the word "Mohammed" wright. Thanks, I happen to have a few of these little coins myself and did the same research a few years ago. Quote:
PS. Does somebody know when Abd Al-Rahman reigned? It depends on which one. Abd ar-Rahman I (731 - 788) - Founding dynastic prince of Spain under the Moors Abd ar-Rahman II (788 - 852) - Emir of Cordoba Abd-ar-Rahman III (889 - 961) - Emir and Caliph of Cordoba Abd ar-Rahman IV (? - 1017) - Caliph of Cordoba in the Umayyad dynasty in Spain Abd ar-Rahman V (? - 1024) - Proclaimed Caliph in 1023, and murdered in 1024 by a mob Then again it might have been this fellow, but he was simply an astronomer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_Al-Rahman_Al_SufiTake Care Ben Edited by Bonedigger
02/21/2009 09:49 am
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'Abd ur-Rahman (Amirs of Sind) This one  |
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My catalogue doesn't say anything about chronology, except to say "we don't know". These coins may be one of the few pieces of evidence that these rulers even existed. As such, the Emirs are listed in the book alphabetically, not chronologically. The Emirate of Sind lasted from about 870 AD to about 1030 AD.
Apparently, the Emirs of Sind belonged to some heretical Islamic sub-group, and their successors the orthodox Ghaznavids did everything they could to erase their names from the record.
I've also just found the reference to these coins in the Stephen Album checklist of Islamic coins, where the Emirs of Sind are listed under "Habbarids"; he calls the small silver denomination a "damma". In both books, the coins of Abd al-Rahman are rated as "scarce", which means "less common than Common, but not as rare as Rare".
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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