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Need Some Help On This Tiny Coin Please

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 Posted 01/11/2023  5:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add westy00 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Anyone recognize it? Looks French ?
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When you say tiny, what mm?

Is it copper? It looks like a jeton. French or nearby, I would agree.
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It is a French denier, either Louis XI (1460s) or Francois I (early 1500s). The name of the king should be to the right of the two fleur-de-lys, that is, where most of the coin is gone ...
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Its 15 mm at its widest point. I got it from a guy in Quebec . Wonder when it came to Canada , interesting . It has a bronze appearance to it . Erafjel thanks for your input .
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The more common of the two is the denier by Francois I: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces39082.html

It is of very low grade billon, with a small amount of silver mixed with copper. Having a silvery appearance when new, this kind of coins soon turned brown-black when handled and so were called monnaies noires, "black money."

For provenance - well, it was for Francois I that Jacques Cartier claimed Canada in the 1500s. The French settlers that followed did perhaps bring some deniers with them (even if they arrived long after, they could still have old coins that had circulated for many decades or more than a century even - not uncommon in those days).

Or, it could of course have been acquired from abroad by a Canadian collector at a later time.

In any event, a nice little piece of history.
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 Posted 01/13/2023  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westy00 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thanks again for your help . Much appreciated.
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