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Valecrucis Valued Member United Kingdom 435 Posts	Posted 09/22/2023 7:11 pm Hope no one minds me reopening this topic thread with an interesting coin I've just picked up and hope to have in hand next week. I'll post my own images then, but for now I have only the dealers pictures. I'd be very interested in Martin's (Maridvnvm) thoughts in view of his excellent breakdown of legends from Septimius coins at the Eastern mints, earlier in this thread It has the 'VICTOR IVST AVG' reverse legend, which is normally found with 'IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG' (RIC 362) or 'IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS II' (RIC 427a). However this example has 'IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS I' (mentioned above as perhaps preceding the COS II types, but after the AVG ones). I can't find this variant listed anywhere and I wondered if it might simply be a COS II type that has lost an I, but it seems quite clear and then I did find another example sold recently at https://www.biddr.com/auctions/biga...51&l=3836849 It is listed as 18mm, 2.67g. Laureate head r. R/ Victory advancing l., holding wreath and palm branch. RIC 427A var. I wonder what reference I should ascribe to it and if anyone has further thoughts? Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 09/23/2023 08:12 am I watched that one go. It is better than the example I have. I will illustrate some IVST types putting this one in some context. "AVG" issue Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR IVST AVG, Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left Minted in Emesa, Late A.D. 193 References:- RIC 362 (Rare), RSC 738, BMCRE 388. 2.62g, 17.45mm, 180o Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR IVST AVS (sic), Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left . Minted in Emesa, Late A.D. 193 References:- RIC 362 var, RSC 738 var, BMCRE 388 var. All list VICTOR IVST AVG. 3.26g, 18.83mm, 0o Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR IVST AVG II COS, Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left Minted in Emesa. A.D. 193 Ref:- BMCRE W338 note. RIC 362a (Rated R2). RSC 740a 2.96g, 18.79mm, 180o Only one other example known - "reported by Bickford-Smith from Dura Europus 942" All references cite the same coin from the 3rd Dura Hoard, Num. Notes and Monographs, 55, Pg 46. No. 216 "COS I" Issue Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS I, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR IVST AVG, Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left Minted in Emesa, A.D. 193 References:- RIC Page 139 (-) (this reverse legend not listed for COS I) 2.22g, 18.88mm, 0o Same die pair as the COS I example above "II CO" Issue two different reverse dies Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II CO, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR IVST AVG, Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left . Minted in Emesa, Early A.D. 194 References:- RIC -, RSC -, BMCRE -. 1.55g, 17.78mm, 180o A UK detectorist field find Reverse die 2 "AVG II C" Issue 2 different reverse dies Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II C, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR IVST AVG, Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left . Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 References:- RIC -, RSC -, BMCRE -. Other reverse die Regards, Martin Report this Post to the Staff
Valecrucis Valued Member United Kingdom 435 Posts	Posted 09/23/2023 08:34 am Hello Martin, Thanks so much for replying so quickly, particularly on an old thread like this And thanks for taking the time to lay out those coins in sequence. It's very helpful for understanding the evolution of the legend in the region. Lastly, thank you for the description, date and your reference for the type I have. How interesting that the reverse & obverse are die matched with your example. I suppose this suggests that the specific variety was probably minted in low numbers? Kind regards, Derek Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 09/23/2023 09:56 am Hello Derek. Certainly a scarce variety. Double die matches can often be an indication of the relative scarcity of a type. Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5173 Posts	Posted 09/25/2023 12:15 pm Quote: VICTOR IVST AVG I've read somewhere (probably on Doug Smith's website?) that IVST was Pescennius Niger's title, and that this type was swiftly changed to VICTOR SEVER AVG once the mint officials realized this. Not sure if it's true; it sounds implausible on its face. I'm not sufficiently into early Severan coins to have even remotely any idea how rare this type is... Report this Post to the Staff
Valecrucis Valued Member United Kingdom 435 Posts	Posted 09/25/2023 12:25 pm The only info I have found on that was this from the Dictionary of Roman Coins.. Regards, Derek Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 09/25/2023 2:37 pm Quote: and that this type was swiftly changed to VICTOR SEVER AVG once the mint officials realized this But how swift was it in reality? How do we define swift? We know that the switch to VICTOR SEVER AVG occurred in the COS I issue but we don't really know how long the mint had been operating until this point. I suspect that it was several months of production. Is this "swift"? Here is an early adoption of the VICTOR SEVER AVG legend combined with a different depiction of Victory from the COS I issue. Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS I, Laureate head right Rev:- VICTOR SEVER AVG, Victory walking right, holding trophy in both hands Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 - 195 References:- BMCRE -, RIC -, RSC - 2.80g, 18.22mm, 180o The legend is more generally found with the normal depiction of Victory in the COS II issue Report this Post to the Staff
Valecrucis Valued Member United Kingdom 435 Posts	Posted 09/27/2023 06:49 am Well, with thanks for the expertise and information, here are my own photos of the coin, which arrived today. Regards, Derek Report this Post to the Staff
Novicius Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 1168 Posts	Posted 09/27/2023 10:05 pm A very interesting and informative thread. So many beautiful coins too. Report this Post to the Staff
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