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1922 Lincoln PCGS Disappointment

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Thought this was a hands down 1922 plain. PCGS graded it 1922 weak d g06.
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Too bad. Can you give usd a clear close-up of the date/MM area?
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PCGS only grades the DP2 as a plain. The other 3 varieties they all call "weak D".
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Lesson learned from ANACS for me as they also don't certify the other die pairs as "no D". There isn't even the slightest sign of a D on my coin!


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BadThad - correct, I had forgotten that.
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If submitted to NGC, would this possibly come back as no d?
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The way they label these is a disappointment. I often find an affordable Weak D online that may be a good fit, but I am afraid of being fooled by a carefully posed photo. Meanwhile, those in the No D holders are selling for the premium that the label gets it. My best hope is finding one at a coin show where I can confirm in hand that the D is absent enough to go in my Dansco album.
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I wouldn't pay attention to what some no-good, conniving "expert" says at these grading services. If you think it's a 1922 Plain No D, then it is!
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Unfortunately, when it comes to selling these pricey coinis, it's the TPG's way or the highway. Would you honestly pay DP2 money for a another DP even if no D was showing?
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From my personal collection:
I am sure we would all call this a true weak D to compare?
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The 1922 "plain" or "no d" can be produced from four different die pairs. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 produce either
a "weak D" or a "No D". Die Pair #2, which is the most desirable of the four die pairs, always produces a "No D".

All 1922 weak D or No D coins fall into one of 7 categories:
1. Die Pair #1 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
2. Die Pair #1 No D (Weak Reverse)
3. Die Pair #2 No D (Strong Reverse) also called 1922 Plain
4. Die Pair #3 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
5. Die Pair #3 No D (Weak Reverse)
6. Die Pair #4 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
7. Die Pair #4 No D (Weak Reverse)

PCGS, NGC and some other grading services do not distinguish between the varieties. PCGS and
NGC authenticate Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 as either "1922 weak D" or "1922 No D weak reverse". Die Pair #2 is
authenticated as "1922 No D strong reverse".

ANACS does things a little bit differently. Only Die Pair #2 is given a "No D" classification. Die Pairs #1, #3 and
#4 are all classified as "Weak D's" regardless of the strength of the mintmark.


Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 were the result of "mint grease", which is a combination of dirt, metal, and oil, filling the area of the mintmark. Mint grease would fill the mintmark gradually, resulting in different levels of "weakness". It is believed that the mint grease would fall out, then refill creating a cycle of normal D's, broken D's, weak D's, and no D's. When looking at circulated examples of 1922 D's, keep in mind that the mintmark could have simply be worn from use. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 have "weak reverses" because they were struck with worn reverse dies.

Die Pair #2 is not believed to be the result of "mint grease".

Bookmark this; more info here if needed including how to classify the die pairs: https://lincolncentresource.com/192...rieties.html
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This is my weak D...

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I discount all 1922-D Cents submitted as "No D" that do not have the strong reverse......no matter what.
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Sorry about the attribution.

(Very informative DataDragon. Thank you.)
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