Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsVancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Hammer-Struck Elizabeth Shilling

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 7 / Views: 2,035Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community
Archraz's Avatar
United States
3499 Posts
 Posted 03/13/2009  8:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just picked up this coin today. SO what do you guys make of this coin? Do you believe this coin to be genuine (Based upon the pics)?



Image: Hammer-Struck-Elizabeth-Shilling ElizIobv.jpg
75.87 KB



Image: Hammer-Struck-Elizabeth-Shilling ElizIrev.jpg
79.44 KB
Pillar of the Community
Peter THOMAS's Avatar
Australia
2830 Posts
 Posted 03/13/2009  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day, I haven't gone that far back ... yet.
Looks like the pics I've seen from that era: and looking great for an item over 400 years old.
Have a good look at the coat of arms: it reflects the politics of that era - English lions, and French fleur-de-lys; nothing Welsh, Scottish, nor Irish. Compare it to George III or Victoria, or QE2.
Peter in Oz
Pillar of the Community
Archraz's Avatar
United States
3499 Posts
 Posted 03/13/2009  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Peter THOMAS- thanks for the reply! And I agree that it really does have fascinating features.

I will admit that there is a bit of a secret about this coin, but I want to get a few other opinions before I reveal too much.
Moderator
Learn More...
echizento's Avatar
United States
23731 Posts
 Posted 03/16/2009  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice hammered coin of Elizabeth, her coins bare the shield of England and France only.
New Member
snoog88's Avatar
United States
3 Posts
 Posted 03/27/2009  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snoog88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the pics are correct, you probably have an Elizabeth I silver shilling, Spink # 2555, second issue circa 1560-1560. It has a very nice and clear martlet mintmark (i.e.: the little bird looking mark at about 1 o'clock on the obverse coin. Also a very nice portrait for its age.

Probably around a "good to very good" grading, and IMHO should go for about 40 to 50 GBP (or $60 to 75 USD). Nice find!
Pillar of the Community
Archraz's Avatar
United States
3499 Posts
 Posted 03/27/2009  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I will reveal the secret now: It is probably fake. It doesn't sound like silver at all. My dealer got it in a bulk lot and gave it to me for free since he thought that it doesn't sound like silver. I must agree that it looks absolutely perfect ( no signs of casting and such), but it just doesn't sound like silver.
New Member
snoog88's Avatar
United States
3 Posts
 Posted 03/27/2009  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snoog88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting note. I suppose he may be right, but I'm not sure I would be so quick to conclude it is a worthless coin. A couple of notes in my rather short but very compressed time studying and collecting English coins.

I'm somewhat surprised that "doesn't sound like silver" is your dealer's reason a counterfeit. I would think a more learned numismatist would measure and weigh a coin to have a better estimate. I would also think that the planchet is so thin on the shilling, so it may not have the ring that one would expect from the larger and more formed milled coins of the later years.

If it is indeed a counterfeit, then the next question is to ask when was it counterfeited. Was it one of those nefarious forgeries from China, a contemporary replica, or a counterfeit from the same century the coin was minted. If it was counterfeit from the same period of time that the coin was minted, then it may even be a more valuable find.

Just a couple of thoughts. I look forward to any other points of view on this.

Thanks!
Pillar of the Community
Archraz's Avatar
United States
3499 Posts
 Posted 03/30/2009  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
snoog88- very good points. I really am no expert when it comes to hammered coinage. This coin certainly is thin and looks almost perfect. But it just sounds like tin or lead or something. There is no ring whatsoever.
  Previous TopicReplies: 7 / Views: 2,035Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.33 seconds to rattle this change. Forums