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Valentinian II?, Double Struck Reverse? Help Attribute? Thoughts Welcome

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 Posted 04/07/2023  9:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This coin is a bit odd. Reverse appears to be double struck, but obverse does not. I found that kind of interesting and this coin was in a lot with 7 others, all unattributed, so I grabbed the entire lot. I am curious as to how this could have happened in the striking process.

It has a nice brown patina, there is a planchet void on the obverse. Edge is roughly clipped, and the planchet is cracked there.

Weight is 4.4 grams, diameter 22.0mm x 24.0mm (AE2, yes?)

I think this is Valentinian II, Constantinople? The mint mark is off the planchet. Am I on the right track? Basing this off the punctuation, legends, and mark in the left reverse field (staurogram? chi-rho?)

Obv: D N VALENTINI-ANVS P F AVG
Pearl diademed bust right

Rev: (VIRT)VS E-XERCITI
Emperor standing right, holding orb and standard?, left foot stepping on captive

Thoughts appreciated!

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I have photos of the other 7 coins but need to crop them and clean them up. Three of them I had posted here earlier with bad pictures.
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 Posted 04/08/2023  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's cool, double struck rev. Yup Christian tau-rho symbol to left.
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Woww! Such a fascinating coin, paralyse. Hard to speculate on the reason for a double-strike. The obverse is fairly well centered and does not seem to be effected by the second strike in any noticable way. Suggests to me that the first strike resulted in the coin being stuck in the upper die. Perhaps this anomaly is an attempt to free the coin by striking it again. There is a story here!
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 Posted 04/11/2023  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add circusmax120 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After a bit of research, the obverse would be the lower (fixed) die. Not the upper as I previously theorized. Which makes sense as it would also account for the clean obverse image. In this case, I would say the original strike produced an evidently weak reverse image. Which would then require the upper handheld(?) die to be repositioned for a second strike.

Gotta love this kind of rumination. Stirs the imagination!
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 Posted 04/12/2023  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I guess this might've happened quite often, but they didn't usually miss with the second strike.

Valentinian II AE2, Constantinople, RIC IX, 83a subtype 2 http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.9.cnp.83A.2
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Thanks muchly, both of you!
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This is simply a case of the upper die bouncing...the mint workers never looked closely at the coins being struck and repositioned for a second strike.
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Gives the coin character.
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It certainly does give the coin character. I love finding coins, especially Romans, with 'die flaws'. I might hunt through my collection at some point and see what I have along these lines.
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