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Yes, but it's an apples to oranges comparison. To think that because a few examples of a totally different, (and illegal to own) survived means that 1964 Peace dollars survived is thoroughly unreasonable. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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1933 Double Eagle- hundreds of thousands minted check1964D Peace Dollar- hundreds of thousands minted check1933 Double Eagle- never released to the public check1964D Peace Dollar- never released to the public check1933 Double Eagle- illegal to own check 1964D Peace Dollar- illegal to own check1933 Double Eagle- melt quantity verified by weight not actual accounting check1964D Peace Dollar- melt quantity verified by weight not actual accounting checkSo why again is it an apples and oranges comparison  More than likely, no 1964s escaped but the comparison is valid and to completely dismiss the remote possibility of a survivor(s) is a bit presumptuous... |
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Bobby, Check out the mint records. I'm not going to argue the facts with you. I've been collecting for many years now, and I've examined both sides of the argument, and I don't believe any survived. There is no evidence for the survival of any specimens. The other side of the argument is pure rumor which is a combination of ignorance, and wishful thinking. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's my feeling that with so many human beings having their hands on them and being around them that to presume as fact that not even one escaped is a little naive. Quote:
and I don't believe any survived. is a far cry from... Quote:
None survived, So it seems that you have already changed your thoughts.  |
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The idea that none survived is a very good possibility. However, if some did manage to make it out of the mint would it be plausible to think that specimens are being reproduced and passed off as the real thing. I have been collecting for 28 years and have never seen nor heard of such a coin until last Thursday. Could this be the "Real McCoy"? Without the benefit of an acid test kit, how would I be able to tell if the weight and size are correct?
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I agree with you Tim. I've seen plenty of fakes. In fact I own an altered date specimen of that year. The chances are minute that any survived.
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Genuine Peace dollar, re-struck to 1964 date:  Link (scroll to bottom of page)The flea market coin could very well have been a re-strike/altered date. A good re-strike can look very good to the naked eye, maybe even 'too good' in the case of Peace dollars (which are notorious for weak strikes). Edited by DNA
03/25/2009 10:24 pm
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I'm not totally closed minded when it comes to the potential survival of 1964 Peace dollars. I just don't think they are likely to have survived, and there's not much evidence for them, but I hope I'm wrong! I think it would be very exciting for the potential of one to exist. |
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How would you prove that it is a real survivor anyway?
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Nod, you couldn't. Even if you could, it would be illegal to own. I'd keep it to myself, or move to Canada or something like that.
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How is one re-struck so as not to mess up the rest of the coin? It would seem that it would have a lot of doubling and that the original date would show some how. Would it not be illegal to have such a die in the first place?
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The entire obverse and reverse were re-struck with custom dies. (take a close look at the rims) Quote:
nod2003: "How would you prove that it is a real survivor anyway?" No problem, the Secret Service would be more than happy to take a look at any coin that you suspected was a genuine 1964-D Peace dollar. Of course, you'd lose possession of the coin the moment that you handed it over, but if was found to be genuine you would get some numismatic fame out of the deal, and most likely the coin would not be melted (it might even get exhibited in the Smithsonian or some other museum). Edited by DNA
03/26/2009 5:35 pm
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But how would they know if it was genuine or a really good fake? They don't have anything to compare it with do they?
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Im sure theirs probobly a specimen strike or two floating around out there somewhere, maybe even in some forgotten box at the denver mint. They would have to run die trials and such to test the presses so I could definately see something like that poping up eventually. In fact I think its more likely that I die trial would emerge than any other possiblility.
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(take a close look at the rims) And at her nose. She should sue her plastic surgeon. Quote:
Would it not be illegal to have such a die in the first place? Now that is an interesting question. Technically yes the dies would be illegal, but it is legal to make imitation numismatic items as long as you stamp them COPY. But you have to have the dies to make the item before you can stamp it copy. Of course you could have the raised word copy on the die so that it is stamped into the item at the same time it is struck. |
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