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Gondwana New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 03/21/2009 8:51 pm Hi People. I hope someone can help me, and if not, hopefully this is interesting! I've got a UK 1858 shilling with an overstamped date. I know overstamps can sometimes be hard to see, but this is a good quality coin with a clear difference. The author Davies (British Silver Coins since 1816) states that there's a rarer 8 over 6 variety, but hopefully you can see from the picture, this is not an overstamped 6! To make it even more bizarre, a lot of the wording (obverse and reverse) and even the 1 in the date also seem to double punched. Any information or suggestions would be much appreciated, G. Image: Shilling1858.jpg 100.36 KB Report this Post to the Staff

Peter THOMAS Pillar of the Community Australia 2830 Posts	Posted 03/21/2009 10:23 pm G'day & welcome, I see what you mean about "doubling". I'm no expert in errors, and only have a passing interest in them. But, I look at yours, and read your description about "... a lot of the wording (obverse and reverse) and even the 1 in the date also seem to double punched", and I wonder if this is NOT a double-punched die, BUT RATHER a double-struck planchet, with only a slight amount of rotation ? Have another look at your numerals: the first "8" looks dropped to me. An interesting example of a QV shilling. Peter in Oz Edited by Peter THOMAS 03/21/2009 10:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 03/22/2009 01:19 am Hi, I collect repunched dates, and the last 8 on this coin shows signs of repunching. The underlying 8 looks like it was partially removed from the die, which is why it's broken on the top. The other digits might be repunched too, but I can't tell for sure. Report this Post to the Staff
Gondwana New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 03/22/2009 07:47 am Thanks for the feedback, and interesting ideas. I agree that it looks most like 8/8, but I'm confused at why the first would be only partly removed and then replaced by another 8? Equally valid seems the double punch slight-rotation idea, especially when you look at the LLs (and I & N) in shilling. However, everything except letters and numbers seems crisp, so I wonder if the bust and leaves could've been punched separately to the numerals? Weird! Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 03/22/2009 12:06 pm Quote: I agree that it looks most like 8/8, but I'm confused at why the first would be only partly removed and then replaced by another 8? Equally valid seems the double punch slight-rotation idea, especially when you look at the LLs (and I & N) in shilling. Many coins in the 19th C. had their dates added last to the die. For some countries, the first 2 digits were on the hub, with the last 2 added with a punch. On others all 4 digits were added, such as for many US coins. When making dies, sometimes a date punch is misaligned, the error is detected and often partially removed (due to depth) before impressing the date again. In these cases, the prior date is often rotated more on one end than the other. Looking at your new pics, I agree that "One Shilling" is repunched too--either by individual die tools, or a rehubbing (doubled die). I don't know enough about UK die making to be more definitive, but here my hunch is all digits on 1858 were repunched independently of the hub. As an example of how repunched dates can vary between digits, here's a US Indian Head cent from 1894: Report this Post to the Staff
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