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Wide AM Personal Crisis

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Hi coin community, I have recently become concerned that I have been incorrectly evaluating the 98, 99, and 2000 Wide AM die varieties. I checked this out about a week ago and reassured myself that I was indeed searching correctly, but a quick scan of 1999 pennies on ebay made me question myself again. In my mind, the Wide AM is not simply determined by the fact that the A and M are not touching. Also, it should have a FG that has a ?serif? On the inside line of the G?

Just asking because I see so many people identifying coins as Wide AMs that I would identify as Close AM.

P.S. Please do not post the Wide AM Close AM identifier split picture, I have reviewed it in depth and in detail. I'm just concerned that I'm expecting the Wide AM to have a wider gap than required.

Also, is the 98, 99, and 2000 Wide AM the same distance apart?
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 Posted 10/11/2023  04:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Surfer 81 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just realized a better way to word this. I am looking for a 98, 99, and 2000 Wide AM to look like a 92 Wide AM. Is this correct?

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 Posted 10/11/2023  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO the most reliable diagnostic for the WAM/CAM variety is not the spacing of the AM.

Observe the spacing of the A in T-A-T of STATES.

If the A is centered between the two adjacent T then you have a WAM

If the A is shifted closer to the 2nd T then you have a CAM.

Works every time and is not subject to die wear like the spacing of AM is.


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Also, is the 98, 99, and 2000 Wide AM the same distance apart?


Nope - the AM spacing for any given coin is subject to die deterioration/wear. Go with the T-A-T I discuss above and you'll lose the stress of trying to figure this out.
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Scroll down to part 3: https://www.error-ref.com/?s=wide+am
Scroll down a bit more after reading that.
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Remember the Close AM is called Close AM not Touching AM. While many times people will say "the A and M are touching" there will be a slight A&M gap and as the dies are worn and repolished this gap will grow, but still be smaller than the width on the leg of the M.

Also please don't use ebay listings as a learning tool. There are SO many misidentified coins that it is useless as a learning tool. Too many people see the dollar signs and not their coin.
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 Posted 10/11/2023  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great advice and reference materials listed above.
I myself go by the TAT spacing when searching them out.
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Use the Search box above to find many past threads on this subject with accompanying photos.
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Somebody should really update the default forum tutorial on WAM/CAM to include the s-T-A-T-e spacing trick. It is super useful, like the pluribuS hook serif to distinguish a 1939 nickel reverse of '38 vs. '40 when the steps are too worn.
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@ Silver Surfer 81, All of my books state that the G must also have the Serif.
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Looking at the initials is also another pup.
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Nickel answer your question.

It is ambigue by the names WAM and CAM and we look fast to AM in AMERICA. In fact it is the Design Hubs used. And in this design you have: TAT in states, FG and what manny ignore the axe of the head-bust.

You has three kind of peoples: Old collectors and dealers which protect theirs status quo, The evasive peoples which go by the first words, but are empty and the really resouce peoples which if time ago find something will aknoleadge and accept the new studies.

Beside this you have the Scamers as on YouToube which by big words go for fast revenue without responsabilities. (They sell with no return accept).

I hope I helped you with the three main parameters. Also the Bust and the head is quiet different. Mint use different Hubs for manny years and not only for one, with exceptions.
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