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Need Help Getting A Lock On These Medieval? 1500-1600's Coins

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 Posted 02/15/2024  12:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Maxinatior to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Bought these off ebay because price seemed decent, problem is I can't figure out what these are, other than the 2 mariengrochsen coins I have no clue. Thanks for the help.
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Not sure if you can see in the photos, but the bottom left coin seems to have the twin tailed bohemian lion if that helps.
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to CCF!

Nice collection.

Left-to-right, top-down:
1: 1 Mariengroschen, Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, Frederick Ulrich, 1627: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces252841.html
2: 1 Albus, Hessen-Kassel, William VI, 1657: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces143329.html
3: 1/24 Thaler, Mansfeld-Hinterort, Frederic Christopher, 1630: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces109033.html
4: 1 Weisspfennig, Jülich-Berg, Gerhard II, 1437-1475 (some variant of): https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces200295.html - Edit: Probably more likely the one suggested by january1may
5: 1 Albus, Hessen-Kassel, Charles I, 1682: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces162571.html
6: 2 Mariengroschen, Lippe-Detmold, Simon Henry, 1672: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces157080.html

Edited: january1may has better eyes than me . Corrected #3 and #4.
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Figured out the top right: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces109033.html Date is 1630, I think.

I see 1617, 1672, and 1682 on other coins; bottom left is likely the only pre-1600 coin here.

UPD: bottom middle is https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces162571.html (Hessen-Kassel) and I think top middle might be from there as well.

UPD 2: yup - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces143329.html (actually dated 1657, the second 1 was a misshapen 5).

UPD 3: the top left is a mariengroschen of Frederick Ulrich of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel (similar to this but a different variant not on Numista).

UPD 4: bottom right is a 2 mariengroschen of Simon Henry of Lippe-Detmold, similar to this but different legend, also not on Numista.

UPD 5: sorry, can't ID the bottom left coin yet. It's probably from 15th or 16th century Brabant but the legible legend isn't helping a Numista search so I'd have to check all Brabant coins there manually and it might not even be there.

UPD 6: no progress on bottom left. I could swear I'd recognize that seated saint design from somewhere. @tdziemia - this is your area, can you help here?


...oh, I see I'd been ninja-ed. Nice ID on the bottom left! I think it might be a different type, though.

UPD 7: found the type at Saurma - https://saurma.info/1/1591.htm
AFAICT it's not on Numista.

UPD 8: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces106883.html
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Thanks for all the help guys! I was bashing my head against the wall trying to figure it all out last night. Paid 130$ after shipping do you think I overpaid? Bought it for the collection anyway but hate when I get messed up. Thanks again!
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At 130 $, I think you did well. The 1/24 thaler and the weisspfennig are not that common I think, it would have been a quite good price for just those two.
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Beautiful lot, congrats!
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UPD 6: no progress on bottom left. I could swear I'd recognize that seated saint design from somewhere. @tdziemia - this is your area, can you help here?
...oh, I see I'd been ninja-ed. Nice ID on the bottom left! I think it might be a different type, though.


I'm late to the game, but yes, Saint Peter on a Rhineland region coin, so I think the original ID is looking pretty good. I'll see if I can find varieties.
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I think the lower left is indeed a weispfennig of Julich-Berg, but is the ruler just before the one proposed by erafjel.

I get ADOLPhVS DVX DE MOTE' for the obverse legend, so it is this one: https://www.ma-shops.com/stollhoff/...php?id=18885
(which also gives an idea of the value)
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