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 Posted 05/17/2009  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If there is a bid, you can end the item early but, you must sell the item to the highest bidder. That's where I messed up. I should have placed a bid on it the night before


If there is a bid or bids the seller still has the right to pull out the auction I think 6 hours (not sure about the hours) before the auction. If it is less than 6 hours remaining the seller can not pull out anymore. Pulling it out means he is not oblige to sell to the highest bidder.
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 Posted 05/17/2009  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was just at ebay's website and I was pretty sure it stated once a bid was placed, the seller is obligated to sell.
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 Posted 05/17/2009  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just check ebay and these are the requirements to end an auction early.


Your ability to end a listing early depends on the amount of time remaining in the listing and whether the listing has received any bids.

If there are 12 hours or more before the end of the listing, you can end the listing early without restrictions. If there are any bids on your item when you end the listing, you'll be asked whether you want to cancel the bids or sell the item to the high bidder.


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 Posted 05/17/2009  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, good to know. I will never know when I want to do a little mind changing with my auctions. Good to know that option is out there. ;-)
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 Posted 05/17/2009  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve kuznicki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually you have no recourse.

A seller can always end an auction "because the item is no longer available" even if bids have already been made.

A seller can cancel a sale EVEN AFTER IT IS OVER.

This comes because ebay is paid by the sellers. The bidder pays them nothing and receives equal service in return. I bet you thought ebay was a business and YOU were the customer. No......you are just a prop, the seller is the customer.
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So in other words, the seller can choose to be a scam artist. And, what is the legal definition of a binding contract between buyer and seller?
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 Posted 05/18/2009  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A seller can cancel a sale EVEN AFTER IT IS OVER.


If auction is over the seller can cancel but with consequences. The auction is not cancelled only the deal can be cancelled, meaning the buyer can leave a negative feedback if not happy with why you cancelled the transaction.
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 Posted 05/18/2009  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, as stated before, I did not place a bid but, if I would have, this guy would get some very nasty feedback rest assured.
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There really is not a contract as most of us think of it. You see notices that "your bid is a binding contract". The seller is given no such notice.

Also, I believe that if the seller retracts (cancels) all bids after the sale (and he can do that because he does not your name, if he wishes), there is no sale to leave feedback on.

Some people keep thinking this is symmetric. It is not. Sellers are ebay's customers. The rest of us are just the "Johns". We can come or go. We DO NOT PAY ebay. WE ARE NOT THEIR CUSTOMER.
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 Posted 05/18/2009  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Therefore, all it is is a cyber flea market and not an auction site, set up like an auction of course. For example, I've never seen Heritage pull an auction. I've only bid on one coin from Heritage (my avatar) and won the coin and subsequently, received the coin. I consider Heritage a true auction site with a ridiculous 15% buyers fee being the only down side.
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 Posted 05/18/2009  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve kuznicki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Vermontenisum,

You are EXACTLY right.

When it is sued (and it has been many times), ebay claims that it is a venue. It does not sell things, it provides a place for buyers and sellers to come together (so it says). The SELLERS are the vendors, not ebay. ebay IS SELLING THE SELLERS THE SPACE to meet buyers, much like the owner of a flea market.

You are EXACTLY right.....ebay!!
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Also, I believe that if the seller retracts (cancels) all bids after the sale (and he can do that because he does not your name, if he wishes), there is no sale to leave feedback on.


Wrong. Period. Can't be done. When it's over, it's over. The winning bid can only be nullified if both parties agree, but feedback can still be left by both parties.
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Hi Bobby,

Show me the rule. I am suspicious of anyone who states such strong, unqualified (pardon the pun) opinions. Sellers routinely cancel bids from those they consider unqualified, even if they are made at the last second. I believe that I saw that done (and about 15 bids cancelled after the fact) in an auction that I was following (but did not bid in) about 6 months ago. It stands out to be because I thought that it could not be done. I am sure that there were some angry people. I can't recall the reason he used for cancelling each bid, but I remember it struck me as crazy ( perhaps calling all bidders including one with 1,000+ feed backs "unqualified"). But it stood.

There is also another way a seller can safely stiff you....If I am worried about a seller following through I pay with paypal immediately. I had one case about 3 months ago where the seller would never answer my e-mails after the auction (he did before) and the item never arrived. After 1 month I complained to paypal. The seller said it must have been lost in the mail (but failed to produce a registration number which I had paid extra for at his suggestion) and simply re credited the payment to me. Paypal told me there was nothing I could do.
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 Posted 05/18/2009  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You are EXACTLY right.....ebay!

Every auction is not a guarantee that you'll receive the item
I guess I shouldn't be shocked. I've been on fLea long enough that I should already know that. As Bobby stated, you can still leave feedback for deadbeat sellers but not buyers. Doesn't make sense to me but then again, I don't own or run ebay. If I did, things would change overnight
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Show me the rule. I am suspicious of anyone who states such strong, unqualified (pardon the pun) opinions.


Don't have the desire. I've got 30K or so sales on ebay, if you don't want to believe me, it won't hurt my feelings.
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