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1823 Bust Dime. PMD, Counter Stamp Or Something Else?

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Hi all! Just got this 1823 Bust dime and noticed some kind of weird indented Marks on the reverse starting just to the left of the shield tip and extending past the shield tip. It looks like several triangular indentations ( I can make out 6) that have a curvature about the same as the rim of a bust dime. Any ideas? The obverse doesn't show any marks nor any evidence of bulging opposite the marks (like you would from a counter stamp) you think NGC would grade it out or label it as damaged? Thanks in advance!

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Now I see what you are talking about - kinda reminds me of Reed Marks damage.
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Exactly , like a really deep back mark you might see on a Morgan.
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Could be old Reed Marks.
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There's a lot going on here. Details or not, I like it. Finding affordable attractive 1823/2 examples isn't easy.
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Details or not, I like it. Finding affordable attractive 1823/2 examples isn't easy.
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Those are not PMD, those are dentil tracks. I personally have not seen them on a dime (not my series) but they are scarce on Capped Bust half dollars which I heavily study. Here is what they look like on bust halves:
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Dentil tracks are a sign that a coin was double struck, with the first strike off center. Because of metal expansion and warping on the Z axis when a planchet is struck off center, the dentils are the deepest part of the design and are the last to be struck out. Hence why they are only visible on one side without evidence of other design detail. I believe this may be evidence that the reverse die was used as the hammer die for this die marriage as well.

NGC would likely ignore it altogether on a regular tier, but you should certainly attempt to get "mint error double struck" on the label!
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Very interesting analysis jacrispies!
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