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 Posted 05/18/2009  12:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Warren to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok, so I have a coin from a friend and was wondering what it is. There is no date or picture of a person, both sides have the same image of a cursive "L" and "I" (I think) over top of "3:12" with some small clover like plant decorations. The coin is roughly the size of a Canadian quarter but three times as thick and heavy. The picture is of poor quality (cell phone camera), but if anyone knows what this is, please give me a shout.


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 Posted 05/18/2009  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day & welcome,
looks like a coin weight, for use on old-fashioned balance-scales.
the 3.12 would be the weight in something like pennyweights & grains.
The LT is most likely the mark of the manufacturer or issuing authority.
I have several similar to yours.
if it's any help, 2.13 was the weight of a half-sovereign.
They are thick because they are usually made of brass, which has significantly lower density than gold.
I believe that they sometimes came in sets, so that a merchant could check the weights of coins from several nationalities.
Look on ebay.uk - there's quite a few there.
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 Posted 05/18/2009  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is indeed a "coin weight", used to try to identify counterfeit foreign coins in circulation. But the symbols indicate the value (in British predecimal money) of the coin being tested. The L is a pound sign, £, while the other letter is a cursive S standing for "shillings".

In Britain in the 1700's (and presumably in British colonies too), a Portuguese gold 8 escudos coin (also known as a dobra) was reckoned to be worth £3/12/-, so I'd assume this is a coin weight for a dobra. If I'm right, your object should weigh about 26.8 grams.

These coin weights are now collectable in their own right, though of course they're not as valuable as the gold coins they once represented. This one went unsold on ebay for £22; perhaps a little pricey.
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 Posted 05/30/2009  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read this with interest yesterday, as I'd never seen one of these weights and didn't even know they existed. Found two today going through a bag of supposed scrap. However the sovereign weight, dated 1821 has Royal Mint 1821 obv. & cur weight sovereign 5.2 rev. This is too heavy for a sov., so what do I have?
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 Posted 05/30/2009  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is indeed a sovereign weight. I assume this is the one you've got.

In this case, the "5.2½" stands for "5 pennyweight 2½ grains", as you can see by the tiny "dwt" and "gr" above the numbers. Pennyweights were way before my time here in Australia, but I'm told by Wikipedia that they're equal to 1.555 grams, with a grain 1/24th of that. So, 5 dwt 2.5 gr should equal 7.936 grams... which is pretty close to the 7.988 grams book weight for a sovereign.

In the link I gave above this one is quoted at being "Withers 2251a" - presumably "Withers" is a catalogue for such weights. The dealer is selling that particular piece for £20.
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