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Atip'ing (Foi Request) The RCM Can Have Some Interesting Alpha On Sales Figures + Disposal Numbers

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 Posted 04/15/2025  07:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add smes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Check out the attached PDF. I was curious about how the Royal Canadian Mint controls the market for numiastic coins so I filed an ATIP, which is the federal version of a freedom of information request.

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Summary below:

97% = "Sold Out" Threshold The Mint internally considers a coin "sold out" once 97% of its mintage is sold — not 100%. This policy isn't publicly disclosed and obscures how many coins are actually melted.


Disposal Lists Reveal Thousands Scrapped Detailed internal records show specific SKUs and quantities of unsold coins sent for destruction in 2023-2024, including high-value products like $250 silver kilo coins and themed gold issues — none of which are listed in public Mint reports.

One-Year Destruction Lag The Mint follows a 12-month delay between end of sales and disposal. So 2024 coins haven't been scrapped yet — but are queued for 2025. This delay isn't publicly stated and masks current melt plans from the market.

Sub-40% Sell-Through on Multiple 2024 SKUs Internal sales data shows 2024-2025 coins like the Water Dragon (26% sold) and Amber Valley (27%) are far below the "sold out" line. This data isn't available on the RCM website or through retail channels.

Premium Products Often Fail to Sell High-value and "prestige" coins (e.g. $2,500 platinum issues) are also included in disposal lists — indicating that even flagship offerings often miss their sales targets and are melted quietly.
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 Posted 04/15/2025  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Raised on rock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, I was just wondering if all the W tribute coins are sold? If not, how many are melted?
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 Posted 04/15/2025  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@smes: Thanks for the info!

FWIW: The Mint reported the 12-month destruction calendar more than a decade ago.


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 Posted 04/15/2025  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sharks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@smes - - Interesting information, thanks. .
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 Posted 04/15/2025  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All this makes way more sense if the actual link is included. You can see sales figures there. Mods, if you click the link you can see it's harmless

https://jumpshare.com/v/VXkwlyuJGqPJPQsxIxLJ
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 Posted 04/15/2025  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mostly silver giftware from what I see......don't let anyone tell there is a shortage of Ag in the world. I suppose all returns get treated this way as well.
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Quote:
Mods, if you click the link you can see it's harmless
Link approved.
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 Posted 04/18/2025  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
interesting insight. Thanks for sharing.
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