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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hallo Christian,
moechte gerne meinen BDL 50-G verkaufen. Bild oben, unten links.
HHB
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
1238 Posts |
Hmm, hast Du's schon mal bei muenzauktion.com versucht? Da sind ja nicht nur professionelle Händler ...
(Dein Deutsch ist ausgezeichnet - Muttersprache oder später gelernt?)
Tschüs,
Christian
Edited by chrisild
08/27/2009 4:38 pm
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Valued Member
Australia
432 Posts |
Well, the Schaaf Katalog doesn't list any BdL 'J' 50Pfg Proben, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any... I'm honestly not sure what to think about it. the 'Gut' says falsification, due to the material differences, but then again, we dont know what the material actually is.
I'm interested tho! :)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1248 Posts |
Christian,
bin I'm schwabenland aufgewachsen....
aber da spricht man "Schwaebish"
habe dir eine PM geschickt..
HHB
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
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Thanks Christian  Quote:
Only the "1949" and "BdL" combination is rare ...
what I read here as rare is a 1949 with a BdL. one is "F" the other "D" mint marks that I clearly see. is that common? it's not worn down, leaves are quite clear. its very confusing, my scanner is down now, upon fix I'll upload an image on a new post. Thanks again |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1415 Posts |
Nic,
Of the 1949 BDL 50 Pfennig - D, F, G and J are all common about 40 million or so of each.
The 1950 BDL with the G is uncommon with only 30,000 minted.
I am confused on my example. It has no year with the J mint mark, but the composition does not appear correct to be a business strike. It also does not appear to be a cast copy.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Possible solution not yet mentioned: Play money?
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Valued Member
Australia
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OK, I was paging through a 2001 copy of the Neugebauer Variantenkatalog that I was sent, looking for something completely different, when I just noticed an interesting entry. Mention is made of 1949J Stempelkopplungen (Die Coupling), followed by a table that suggests that this Stempelkopplungen was a 1949J 'R1' Reverse (Rs), with the 'W2' Obverse (Ws) - W2 being the FIRST 'Bundesrepublik Deutschland' Obverse... Interesting!
Now over a few more pages, to where more detailed listings are given, I noticed a 1949J-5 Variantenbeschreibung for this coin - quite simply W2/R1, with the following values! ss:10000, vz:15000, st:20000 - these values are in EURO and current at 2001...
Being listed like this, I would think that Neugebauer considers these to be a circulating variety. THUS, in direct conflict with my first posting, it appears there is 1949J BRD and the thing could be quite valuable!
This also proves one EXTRAORDINARY point; I'm not 100% Infallable! ;)
However, this doesn't really answer the question (it merely contributes to the body of knowledge) - questions still remain about the composition as the lack of visible date...
Edited by Zaggy
08/31/2009 12:09 am
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
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thanks wwhitman, posted a pic of the 1949Bdl 50 pfennig, just now, not knowing you had posted a reply here, My post question answered, thanks again!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1415 Posts |
Zaggy: Quote:
This also proves one EXTRAORDINARY point; I'm not 100% Infallable! ;) Also that you are now my best FRIEND  Quote:
OK, I was paging through a 2001 copy of the Neugebauer Variantenkatalog that I was sent, looking for something completely different, when I just noticed an interesting entry. Mention is made of 1949J Stempelkopplungen (Die Coupling), followed by a table that suggests that this Stempelkopplungen was a 1949J 'R1' Reverse (Rs), with the 'W2' Obverse (Ws) - W2 being the FIRST 'Bundesrepublik Deutschland' Obverse... Interesting! I was unaware of any die varieties  I am dubious of a possible valuable coin here. I think I/we have to determine composition and resolve date issue. Does anyone have an "Atomic emission spectrometer" handy?  |
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Valued Member
Australia
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Yeah, there are a LOT of die and coupling variations... I'm away from my Katalogs and etc ATM, BUT if I remember right, the 50Rpf has 4 different Obverse types and 3 different Reverse types - plus the earlier coins have a smooth edge, where the later coins are milled. As for Die Varieties, there are a LOT - ie, there is a whole book (Neugebauer) devoted to the BdL/BRD varieties!
Date Issue - you need to get the coin under a good 20x scope and see what you can see - may also help resolve the composition issue.
Spectrometer - There is one about 65m away from in the Chemistry Building here at Uni. That said, I would start with a good set of digital scales and compare against an equally worn 50Rpf - measure the rims in about 4-5 locations with a GOOD set of Verniers and make sure you've an example of equal wear (or if you find a variance between a number of Genuine coins of > 0.1mm, that may answer your question).
Then if you can find an example that is about the same size, weigh them correctly, you may even be able to mathematically calculate the weight...
OR, if you have access to a Chemistry Lab, get them to measure the volume of the coin for you (using water and tubes and etc), then you can again do the math and work out with the weight for the volume is correct - and if not, what could the coin be made of... The last of all, spectroscopy - BUT again, you could try your local Uni Chemistry Dept...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1415 Posts |
Well it looks like I gotta task for the week end.
It's been a while since I have been in the lab.
Will try to return with pics for all to see
and info to digest.
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Valued Member
Australia
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So, wwhitman - any news ;)
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