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Canadian Dollars 1935 To Date

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 Posted 08/11/2009  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brutuss, the obverse of the 1947 ML matches properly with an authentic coin. The obverses of the 1945, 1946 and 1947 do not. In fact, they are all way out. However, the 1945, 1946 and 1947 all match properly with themselves. Likely, the 1945, 1946 and 1947 are all counterfeits.

Bitte kontaktieren Sie mich über meine Benutzer-ID E-Mail. Sie können es durch Anklicken meiner IDENTIFIZIERUNG finden. Dank.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
man that sucks So with out overlaying how do we detect these counterfeits. did you use a 1945, 1946 and 1947 obverse for each one you checked or did you just use a standard coin for all? Is it possible each year is different? They look real close to the original to me but I am not expert on this series. thanks for your help
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 Posted 08/11/2009  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
brutuss,

Bitte kontaktieren Sie mich über meine Benutzer-ID E-Mail. Sie können es durch Anklicken meiner IDENTIFIZIERUNG finden. Dank.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"with out overlaying how do we detect these counterfeits"

The next step is to have the coins in hand and examine them closely, and build up a knowledge base of what is out there. Few collectors are in a position to own the number of coins necessary to do this. But this can be done by the certification shops, and in fact PCGS does this for US coins. Taking good resolution images of the coins that are certifified for comparison with new incoming coins is a good step for a certification service.

"Is it possible each year is different?"

There are variances in manufacturing over the years. In 1945 a new technique was introduced for the manufacture of Canadian dollars which gave coins the shiny mirror like surfaces they typically have. Counterfeiters prefer coins made like this as they are easier to fake. But because of the difficulty in making a die, counterfeiters will usually reuse it as was done in the 1945, 1946 and 1947 dollars. Hence, even if a die is extremely good, any errors will carry across the years. There is also the reverse side of the coin. I haven't looked at those yet, and they too are difficult to reproduce.



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 Posted 08/11/2009  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brutuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HI MKB!

Thanks, the canadian falsificators have much work......
the coins show greater as the pics...i will for a last opinion show in a coinconvention in a canadian dealer.the 48 its not good ok, I'm think 47 ml?im think when have coins in the hand its better....
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 Posted 08/11/2009  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok $1948 dollar experts...
pick the fake or fakes...
3 of them are certified...which does not mean they are authentic...unfortunately....
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 Posted 08/11/2009  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The top left dollar is brutuss', so its bad. The bottom left dollar is from the Heritage site, and its good. As for the two dollars on the right, the only thing I can find that may be off is a small portion of the era - but this may just be lighting.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brutuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mkb, visit my vespa125.com site.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MKB, I agree top left is a fake. No ? in my mind.there are a few marks that give it away, besides the lay-over technique.
However,The big problem is, and I am close to making you a bet, if Brutus sends his to a TPG of his choice, it will come back as graded!
WHY everyone asks?
the answer is simple: Because, unless they are very detailed,they will NOT search archives etc for fakes.
NO time! and most of them DO NOT have another, authentic 48 to compare.
Herin lies the Key to recognition by the average collector. NOTHING to compare it with!
If brutus takes his collection to a dealer, all the dealer will see is $$$$$ signs. he will see the 48 etc... and the dealer will then sell it as a real 48. I did experience exactly that... more than ONCE.
there is a 48 online right now..... a fake!! find it!!
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 Posted 08/11/2009  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Herin lies the Key to recognition by the average collector. NOTHING to compare it with!"

LOL... even when supposedly EXPERIENCED collectors have coins, few of them examine them closely. Its crazy how many exceptional varieties have only been noticed recently... and some... even when the evidence is beyond any doubt, still refuse to acknowledge the obvious...

But the advice you provide is very good. Its one of the best ways to protect yourself. Do not rely on others or governmental laws to protect you. You must do it yourself. And on the plus side, once you make the effort to develop your skills as a collector, you will get very good at being able to buy exceptional pieces. Then watch your collection really grow into something worth having....
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 Posted 08/11/2009  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm...this is interesting. Here I made an overlay with a PCGS Heritage coin, by trying to scale and align the outer legend.
As much as I try to get the two legends to closely align, the DEI on brutus's coin appears to be in a different position.

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 Posted 08/11/2009  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brutuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
?now the legend gratia its correct?......
right, I must go sleeping, her in austria its night.thanks for all opinion and tipps.

regards
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 Posted 08/11/2009  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm almost afraid to do this, but this is my ICCS certified '48 dollar. The thought of it being a fake hadn't even crossed my mind. MKB in particular, if you have a minute can you give me your thoughts?

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 Posted 08/11/2009  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1cent, your coin took about 3 seconds to align properly with an authentic 1948 dollar. Taking 10 seconds is usually a long time. But with brutuss' dollar, even after several minutes effort, it never fully aligns.

So I can't find anything wrong with your 1948 dollar. hhbkiddo.... do you see anything?
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 Posted 08/11/2009  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"?now the legend gratia its correct?"

brutuss, with the image of your coin, you can always get a part of it to align properly. But when GRATIA aligns, something else does not. When something else aligns, GRATIA does not.
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