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Fake Slab Listing From Hong Kong

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 Posted 08/11/2009  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rustyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I think it is legit. All the same, how did it rotate, and Zohar, your message is still strong and well heeded.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
like I said, the slab still may be counterfeit but I think the coin inside is the same one. They would have to remove the coin from the slab to copy it so that may be what happened here. they removed the coin from the original slab, copied the coin and label and then reslabbed the original coin in a fake slab to recoup their investment and then they will start selling the copies
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 Posted 08/11/2009  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Litotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bryan that this is likely.

Anyway I would recommend that no-one buys ANYTHING from Chinese sellers, with exeptions only for the sellers you know beforehand and have only good experiences with. I know this will exclude some honest, new sellers but that may in its turn induce them to try to clean up their compatriot's acts.

I would also recommend against selling to Chinese buyers. They need an original in order to make a good copy.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zohar444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While it may not be politically correct, it's safe. I am for it.
BTW - I sent a note to this seller indicating its fake. He never responded.
I tried reporting to ebay and it does not let me as I was not the buyer. If it is fake, he is a real pro as I have not seen such quality reproduction.
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 Posted 08/11/2009  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an older NGC slab and my Barber dime rotated in the slab. I first bought it with normal placement and overtime I dropped it or threw it a couple times. It rotated about 70 deg.
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 Posted 08/12/2009  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zohar444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all,

I must admit this has been a learning experience. I reached out to NGC with the thread - received a response as follows:

"Please tell Zohar the coin has turned in the holder and the darker color is due to photography differences. There are identifying characteristics on both coins. There is a small coloration dot between the D and E on the obverse close to the rim. Also two coloration dots between the words in the legend. These are on both images so it indicates it is the same coin that left here. "

Kudos to wcg and Bryan1315 for reaching the same conclusion. This is encouraging as slabs need to retain their credibility to ensure the hobby has a future.

Good discussion.
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 Posted 08/12/2009  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thread! One point that I would like to add. The images may be stolen as well. An individual does not actually need a slab and or coin to list an auction.
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 Posted 08/13/2009  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt the coin would be rotated in a stolen image in this case, but you are right in general. Nothing to stop these fake slabbers from using a stolen image and then sending a fake slab. What are you going to do from the other side of the world when the wrong item turns up?
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