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Questiong About Double Mint Mark Or Year

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On STANDARD CATALOG OF WORLD COINS, some coins of USA have double mint mark or year.

For example, 1949D/S, or 1942/41.
I have never sawn such a real coin. So my question is what will such a coin look like ?

There are 2 mint marks on one coin ? Or different 2 mint marks are struck on the same position ?

Anyone that has ever seen or has such kind of coins please give a class.
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The doubled mintmarks are also called re-punched mintmarks or RPMs. They are from the days when they put the mintmarks on dies by hand and sometimes it might be too shallow so the mint tech would tap it again. But sometimes the the second tap didn't align with the first one so it looked doubled.
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Dear longnine009, thanks for your information. However, when the mint tech tap the coins again, will they tap a different mint mark or will they tap the same one ? If it is the same one, which is reasonable, how comes 1949D/S or 1945S/D ? Does this mean that the mint tech tapped a different mint mark ?
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In the "old days" branch mints would ship dies they did not need to other branches where dies were needed. If the dies were completed with the mint mark of the first mint - the second mint would have to repunch the mint mark to change it to their branch. The end result is one mint mark OVER the other. Only traces of the original show.

The over dates are often because dies finished for one year were not used before the year ended and a new date had to be added. Because each of these recut dies can be identified uniquely - rarity becomes a significant issue.

In the earlist history of the US mint, this use of old dies happend alot so overdates and varieties are the rule of thumb. That is one reason I became interested in that era. NO TWO DIE PAIRS ever were exactly the same. The rarity arises when a die breaks after a very few strikes. Some dies might strike 10s or 100s of thousands of copies while others may have been used only a handful of times.

The mint records can make interesting reading in this regard. In the late 1990s I read a study about die life for US 25 cent working dies. The study indicated that the smallest production ever recorded for a modern working die pair was ONE coin. The die pair broke on the FIRST strike and was retired. Just imagine if you could ID that particular die pair. Well, that is exactly what used to happen and it explains why all coins bearing one particular date are not of equal rarity.
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In the case of doubled mintmarks, that is, the same mintmark that looks doubled, the tech didn't bring the mintmark up high enough so he punched it again. But apparently it's hard to line the punch back up exactly with the last mark.

Be careful too about apparent doubling on a coin, mintmark or otherwise which is really abraded dies. Sometimes dies are "polished" with sandpaper for various reasons, such as to remove or mitigate damage from a die clash. The raise parts you see on a U.S coin are recessed and negative--(negative=reversed like on a mirror) on the die, including the mintmark. So when they get close to the edge of a recess in the die--(what would be raised on the coin)--the sandpaper may cut into the die right at that edge and that will appear as raised area on the coin giving the illusion that it's doubling.
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WOW !
It is really very interesting.
Thanks so much for your informative lesson. swamperbob and longnine009.
There are really lots of fun colleting these old days coins !

And I know what will such a double mintmarked coin look like now.
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