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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was thinking about what reasons one might give for why or why they do not like slabbed/ certified coins... Some may be repelled by plastic, possibly allergic. Others may feel like they are running a high security coin prison. One might feel like their coins might turn into a mummy after enduring years in a plastic "tomb" I personally have nothing against certified coins, in fact I actively collect them. I also have nothing against free market, (as in the grading companies make a lot of money in subscription/ certification fees). I don't think braking out a coin and squeezing it between cardboard flips or shoving it into a album page slot then covering it in on both sides with a plastic slip is very "liberating" for a coin. If I ever decided to get rid of the slabs I could easily crack them out. For me, slabs add a certain level of protection from scratches, and contaminants in the air (I live in a very humid climate), and may add a little value if I ever go to sell as well as an additional layer of buyer confidence in knowing what you are going to get... This is not a infomercial for PCGS or ANACS...Just one collectors opinion. I would like to hear what everyone else thinks. Don't worry You Will Not Offend Me. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
Personally, I would not buy a high end, high value coin that was not in a slab unless it was a really good deal from someone I trust. There are so many fakes out there now that caution is needed, and that plastic is one extra layer of defense.
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 United States
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Color me neutral, tending to favor the slab as value/rarity rises. Like it or not, the majority of the market places some level of importance in the TPG signoff, and it can be very difficult to sell a raw coin of any real value. On the other hand, I like to hold raw coins.  There's a detachment to holding a slab which makes it a less-visceral experience, almost as if I don't actually own the coin, but only a piece of plastic containing something akin to a picture of a coin. If there's plastic between you and the coin, does it actually exist?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1055 Posts |
SuperDave you bring up an interesting point. Does it really exist if incased in plasitc? Would a trip to the Smithsonian be a virtual experience outside of reality because you can't hold the 1933 Double Eagle?  I guess there are extremes to everything. I understand what you mean about a detchment created by the coin being in a slab...
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Valued Member
United States
79 Posts |
I have been a "serious" collector AKA investor in coins since about 1976, or a few years thereafter. I signed up for the 2 or 3 day ANA Coin Grading Seminar at the Pittsburgh ANA Convention about 20 years ago. What I found out there, was my eyes are not good enough to grade coins and unless you have piles of coins passing through your hands, likely your grading ability will be very limited. So, based on that experience, I have limited most of my buying to Certified coins. I do buy some foreign coins that are not graded, but usually they are not very expensive or proof versions. I have bought many different varieties of brands, but, I think in the long run, I prefer PCGS. The problem with PCGS is there are not as many foreign coins to choose from in PCGS holders as in NGC, and PCGS does not grade things like "like dollars". If I were buying a premium coin, it would have to be in a PCGS holder, Or something I just could not pass up at a very reasonable price. I consider myself more of an investor in coins than a collector. I stated that at the ANA seminar only to be ridiculed by several participants. My view was and still is; if you are concerned about the value of your collection, you are an investor, if you are not worried about the value of your collection, you are a collector. That view was not well received there and likely will not be well received here. But, you asked.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Quote: There's a detachment to holding a slab which makes it a less-visceral experience, almost as if I don't actually own the coin That's my take as well, particularly since the coins I collect are seldom enhanced by a plastic slab. It's pretty hard to look for die varieties when the coin is one step removed from close inspection.
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Moderator
 Australia
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I personally disapprove of slabs, for various reasons besides the ones already stated. I live on the far side of the world from slabland. This greatly increases the cost and time involved in using their services. Slabbing is a peculiarly North American phenomenon; a couple of "slabbing companies" have attempted to start up down here, but all have failed due a lack of interest from collectors here, and the relatively small collector base to begin with. The lack of access to slabbing means most coins around here are raw. I never even saw a slabbed coin here in a coin show or coin shop display until a couple of years ago. Most of the old guys in the coin club still have no idea what slabs are until it's explained to them. Slabbing companies make mistakes, and mistakes made by them become accepted as gospel. For example, in the catalogues now there are proof coins listed for years in which Australia issued no proof coins, simply because the slabbing companies (accidentally or erroneously) have graded some of those coins as proofs. This "the TPGs can't be wrong" attitude also leads to the whole silly "crackout game", where coins are resubmitted again and again in the hope that the coin will eventually be bumped up a point. Australian grading standards are more conservative than the ones used by the gradeflated US slabbing companies; their "EF40" would barely make VF here. Having two grading standards is overly complicated, and unscrupulous sellers of slabbed coins can make an easy profit by selling coins slabbed with US grades using Australian catalogue prices. Plus, this "overgrading" by the slab companies adds to the general impression here that "American TPGs can't grade our coins properly". As well as modern coins, I also collect ancient and mediaeval coins; the TPGs (thankfully) are still reluctant to slab them, and even American collectors in these series generally disapprove of slabs. Grading and valuing a hand-struck coin is much harder than simply giving it a one-size-fits-all number. Each ancient and mediaeval coin is different, owing to the method of manufacture; as such it's virtually impossible to buy such coins "sight unseen" based only on a listed grade. Finally, a slab's promise of security of authenticity is false and misleading; besides the occasional fake coin slipping past the TPG graders, it didn't take the fakemasters in China very long to realize they could make much more money from their fake coins by making fake slabs to put them in. So now you've got to go around teaching everyone how to spot a fake slab. Frankly, I'd rather learn about coins.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
436 Posts |
I am new to the hobby, and stil honing my grading skills, never mind my Counterfeit Detection skills. That being said, I will buy a coin valued under $200.00 unslabbed with some investigation into who the seller is. Other than from a very trusted source, I will buy anything valued over 200 bucks slabbed, as I feel more protected, and the stress over whether I got ripped off just isn't worth it. It would ruin a hobby I really enjoy. Once the slabbed coin is home, however, it gets unslabbed and put into an album! I just feel I enjoy my collection more that way.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1040 Posts |
What Sap said. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
812 Posts |
Being able to touch coins is part of my love of the hobby, held over I'm sure from when I first began pushing Lincoln Cents into Whitman folders. I primarily collect circulated classic coins. I like the history of coins that participated in commerce, and have less interest in coins that have never been handled (though they are very pretty).
If I collected Mint State and Proof coins, I'd be more inclined to go with slabs, since I can't tell a MS-65 from a MS-66 (in spite of the often tremendous difference in value), and I would not want to ruin them by touching them anyway.
If I were to purchase a coin valued at over $500, I'd want it slabbed, primarily for authentication purposes. Luckily (sadly?), that is not an issue for me.
I've purchased a few coins in slabs, but it was because I wanted the coin, not the slab. Most of them were broken out pretty quickly.
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