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Someone With Knowledge English Silver Hammered Groats?

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I have a hammered silver groat, I believe it to be Edward IV, but
I am unable to decide on which type from using a spink book alone. Any opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Since this is more about attribution rather than identification, I've moved this to the British forum. And given it a bump to call people's attention to it.

But alas, the only English coin book I've got is Spink, and it doesn't help me in identifying what you've got, either. It may well be too clipped to say with certainty.
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Thanks very much Sap, I have it down to a few probable types but with my limited experience of hammered coins and the clipping can't quite pin it down to one type. Fingers crossed someone might
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I have coin Crafters but it will be a while before I can look it up as I am in Mexico. If you have had no luck by mid Nov pm me and I will look it up for you.
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I looked this up in my Coincraft British coin catalog but I need some help with the legend.
I see in the smaller circle on the reverse it says CIVITAS LONDON (London mint). What I could make out on the obverse looked like EDWARD DI GRA REX ANGL FRANC. To pinpoint the type (and the Edward for that matter) I'd like to know if there is a "Z" between ANGL and FRANC.
And if there is any mintmark above the king's head like a cross, sun, crown, boar's head (you'd be lucky to have that one).
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If you could perhaps give us a better photograph so that we can see the circled parts more clearly.

Kindest Regards,

Clive

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At the moment it appears to be of Edward IV's Second Reign with fleurs on cusps and no marks by bust. This would be 2098 in your book.

But better photographs would help greatly.

Kindest Regards,

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Hi all, sorry for the slight delay geting new pictures on here.

Hi Svslav - Their does appear to be a mark above the kings head. Unfortunately as the picture shows, it is very faded. Yes there does also appear to be a z between the ANGL and FRANC - I have included a close up picture of that also.

Historic coinage - Thanks Clive, Yes that does seem to be one of the types it is starting to look like, hopefully with these pictures we might get a step closer to cofirming. Hope these help:

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I still cannot quite make out the mintmark on the obverse, the reverse looks like a "pierced cross and a pellet" which means it is Edward IV second reign (1471 - 1483), London mint
The 2000 catalog gives values at
VG 30 F 60 VF 125 (in pounds)
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Certainly the pierced cross and pellet makes sense, comes up quite well in the new picture. Shame about the poor condition of the mintmark though. Is that the 2000 Krause catalogue?
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No, it's 2000 Coincraft's Standard Catalogue of English and UK coins, published in London
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Welcome to you new guys! There is a plethora of information here at CCF, yet I have already learned something new from this thread.

I look forward to your future postings, and there is a great buy/sell/trade forum once you get past 50 substantive posts.

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