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How many of you believe in putting in a 4th staple, on the hinge side of a cardboard 2x2, to make the seal tighter? Or leave it with 3?
Inquiring minds want to know...

While I'm at it do you just staple them or do you crimp them with pliers, as well?

Baker coins feels one should put staples near the edge, so as not to have corrosion spread from the staple to the coin. http://www.bakercoins.net/tips/storage/index.html This seems wrong to me- unless one doesn't look at their coins very often, one will note corrosion on staples and change the flip. Seems as if close to teh edge gives a tighter seal.

Know these are the most boring of questions, but here they are. Thanks in advance...
Don
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 Posted 03/18/2005  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use a flat cinch stapler so no crimping needed. I also use 4 staples. Why have the coin moving around?
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 Posted 03/18/2005  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use 4 but I don't crimp in case whoever receives them wants to remove the staples. It's easier if they're not crimped.
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Thanks y'all. Susan, I trust you don't see too many problems due to staples causing scratches- some folks make a huge deal over this (when giving advice)- seems as if they're in roughly the same place and they're in a box or page slot, it is unlikely that they'll scratch adjacent coins.
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I have heard many people talk about scratches from staples and have seen a few, but if you store your coins properly and transport them safely, scratches can easily be avoided. However, I don't worry about the customer removing the coins. They can cut the 2x2 and replace it if they feel the need. Why take the chance of a scratch if there isn't a reason.
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 Posted 03/18/2005  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I keep the coins completely separated from each other with a layer of bubble wrap between each coin and wrapped around. Scratching during shipment would be impossible.
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I ALWAYS use the 4th staple and mumble to myself when I receive coins with only 3 staples as they can still, and always do, slide over to the stapleless side!!! Guess some folks think they are either saving a little time or a little money by only using 3 but it really bugs me! Also do you staple on each side or each corner? I prefer each side as the corner staples drive me nuts but must admit on larger coins they are easier to staple that way!
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 Posted 03/18/2005  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

If humidity is kept low, do you all think they're ok for long term storage? How often does one see spot toning from cardboard flecks? (I try to keep 'em off)

Terry,
I got a nice au gold eagle from an ebay seller- when it came it wasn't even securely in the 2x2, and it was sent in an envelope with a 37c stamp- seller charged 6.95 for shipping, handling, and insurance!
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 Posted 03/18/2005  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find I have difficulty stapling Ike's. There isn't much cardboard on the sides to allow for sufficient stapling unless you get the bigger size but then you will have to buy new plastic pages with bigger slots. I would prefer to keep the storage and organization consistant by not having different sizes.

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 Posted 03/18/2005  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kyra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always use four staples. Maybe another obsessive-compulsive question to ask is are your staples parallel to the sides or do you staple diagonally?

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 Posted 03/19/2005  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by SFDukie


If humidity is kept low, do you all think they're ok for long term storage? How often does one see spot toning from cardboard flecks? (I try to keep 'em off)


I've gotten away from 2x2s for the most part, using flips these days, but I still have a lot of wheat and other cents in 2x2s. And yes, some have developed spots over about 15 to 20 years. They're pretty low grade coins, so I haven't done anything about them.

When I stapled, I used three and parallel to the edges, no angles. FWIW, if I get one in a 2x2, I have to break it out if I'm going to submit it to PCGS ("no staples" on the submission sheet) - it's a pain, espcially if it's an MS. There's always a danger than my fat clumsy fingers will slip and the MS-64 becomes an MS-60 or AU.
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First of all I think these kind of questions are great. We have a great gruop here and I've yet to see a question go unanswered. How do you feel about the self adhesive 2X2's? Mike [:p]
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 Posted 03/19/2005  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use 4 staples per 2x2, I dont care for the self adhesive type.



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 Posted 03/19/2005  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Farstaff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always use four staples and staple diagonally.
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Self adhesive 2X2s will not hold up over time as the glue weakens and finally gives up its job. I receive coins from Europe in self adhesive 2X2s and I learned within a year to staple them before putting them away as they always open on their own over time! It could be our climate as we go from one extreme to another and our humidity does the same here in Indiana. Actually one of our favorite sayings here is "If you don't like the weather just hang around 15 minutes and it will change"! Lot of folks think we are joking but it usually happens very quickly so we are pretty much prepared for anything.

SFDukie, I really watch shipping charges these days as I know I can ship just about any coin, first class, in a bubble mailer for around a $1.50. Insurance, if needed, would run around the same so anything over $3.00 for a single coin is nothing but a rip off. I have also found that most first class mail, especially over weekends, is just about as fast as priority mail so I definitely take the time of week into account before spending the extra for priortiy mail. Guess a bunch of folks (non-business) feel they need to be paid to put a coin in an envelope that they advertised to get rid of because they didn't want it anymore? Guess everyone will have to do like I do---don't bid on high shipping cost items and take the time to send them a polite email concerning their attempted rip off! But don't expect a polite reply!
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quote:
Originally posted by crystalk64

Self adhesive 2X2s will not hold up over time as the glue weakens and finally gives up its job. I receive coins from Europe in self adhesive 2X2s and I learned within a year to staple them before putting them away as they always open on their own over time! It could be our climate as we go from one extreme to another and our humidity does the same here in Indiana. Actually one of our favorite sayings here is "If you don't like the weather just hang around 15 minutes and it will change"! Lot of folks think we are joking but it usually happens very quickly so we are pretty much prepared for anything.

SFDukie, I really watch shipping charges these days as I know I can ship just about any coin, first class, in a bubble mailer for around a $1.50. Insurance, if needed, would run around the same so anything over $3.00 for a single coin is nothing but a rip off. I have also found that most first class mail, especially over weekends, is just about as fast as priority mail so I definitely take the time of week into account before spending the extra for priortiy mail. Guess a bunch of folks (non-business) feel they need to be paid to put a coin in an envelope that they advertised to get rid of because they didn't want it anymore? Guess everyone will have to do like I do---don't bid on high shipping cost items and take the time to send them a polite email concerning their attempted rip off! But don't expect a polite reply!


I have to agree with you on the shipping statement. However, as far as Priority goes, it's great for proof and mint sets as the boxes are the perfect size. I am very hesitant to ship a proof or mint set in a bubble mailer. Too much risk of the lens cracking no matter how many precautions you take. I also would recommend watching how much a seller who states combined shipping charges for additional coins. A seller who charges $2 for s/h may seem like a deal until you see that his big "sale" is only $1 each for additional coins won. Now, we're back into ripoff territory. Multiple coins (up to about 15) can still ship for under $3 (and that includes the charge for packing materials).
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