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Anyone Else Collecting Davis/Withers Material? [nice Pics!]

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 Posted 10/17/2009  6:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Hi, all ~

Poking around the forums for the last week or so, I haven't come across much "content" from members on the early 19th-Century tokens of Britain. Am I the only one who collects this stuff?

Got some fairly decent images out of my second session attempt at coin photography a few months ago.

Below are three photos, their subject the 1812 Weybridge Iron Mills penny from Surrey (Davis 5, Withers 1200). Note the interesting diecutting in the legends.

These were taken on our kitchen counter with the camera's flash and the fluorescents from under the cupboards. I'm still learning about white balance, and obviously the "tint" came out a little too orange. Fortunately, my little grab-and-shoot Olympus 4MP camera has a super-macro mode, so it's not too hard to get the image to where it can be used for grading the coin.

Will post a very seldom-seen Withers piece in the Photography forum in a few minutes.

Best ~
Tom

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 Posted 10/18/2009  06:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TokenDave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect Conder Tokens (generally 1790s)and frequently run into early 19th century material, but have not been able to properly attribute the tokens. I presume Davis and Withers did for these tokens what Conder did for late 18th century tokens. Is there a "standard" catalog for Davis/Withers tokens?
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 Posted 10/18/2009  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave, Withers is the current standard. I'll paste in the books I use on a regular basis for my tokens, with notes following. (Assembled this a couple of years ago for another collector.)

1. Dalton & Hamer, The provincial token-coinage of the 18th century. Recent
reprints available from Allan Davisson via https://www.classiccoins.com. Also available
in its entirety online at http://www.archive.org/details/prov...enc00daltuof

2. W. J. Davis, The Nineteenth Century Token Coinage of Great Britain, Ireland,
the Channel Islands and The Isle of Man, to which are added Tokens of Over
One Penny Value of Any Period (London: B.A. Seaby Ltd., First Edition 1904).
(Reprint: Sanford J Durst, 1979.)

3. R. C. Bell, Copper Commercial Coins 1811-1819 (Newcastle, 1964)

4. Paul & Bente Withers. British copper tokens 1811-1820. 1999, 264 pp.

5. Michael Dickinson .Seventeenth century tokens of the British Isles and their
values. Seaby, 1986.

6. Peter John Seaby, Michael Dickinson. British tokens and their values. Seaby, 1984, 200 pp.

7. Siegfried E. Schwer. Schwer price guide to 18th century tokens. Publisher: S.E. Schwer, 1984, 182 pp.

8. Richard Dalton. The silver token-coinage: mainly issued between 1811 and 1812.
B.A. Seaby, 1968 reprint, 63 pp. Available in its entirety online at
http://www.archive.org/details/silv...na00daltiala

Okay, #1 is the standard for Conder and you're probably using it already. I've used #6 and #7 as
stock books in the past, as they're small and easy to take to shows. (Now I carry my own spreadsheets!)
The downside is that they cover only types, not varieties. Schwer's indexes have been particularly helpful.

#2 is the old, original standard for the early 19th century, now superseded by Withers (#4). (No silver coverage.)

#6 is great as intro for newbies, but also because it covers 17th-, 18th-, and 19th-century materials, including silver.

#8 is the standard for silver tradesmen's tokens, but not for bank tokens...back to #2 for that.

There are other more specialized books out there that cover with more depth such areas as unofficial farthings, evasion coppers, and the like, but since I don't collect them in any serious way I don't really keep track of the catalogs for them.

More than you asked for, I know, Dave, but I happened to have the bibliography saved on my PC...thought other forum members might see something in it they can use.

Happy hunting!
Tom


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Sorry about how those links pasted in.
They were just plain text in an unformatted .txt file.
Does anyone know how I can do this right?
Thanks ~
Tom

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 Posted 10/18/2009  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TokenDave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tom,

Your reference list is worth its weight in gold. Thank you for it. Yes, I use Dalton & Hamer for the Conders. Now, I have a reference for the 19th century material.

Dave
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 Posted 10/22/2009  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KathyNumismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great information Tom. Thanks for posting that!
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