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Asian Token / Fantasy Item ? | Japanese Temple Token

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 Posted 11/22/2009  10:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just thought this was a neat item, do not know what the symbols are or mean. Is this a token, game piece etc. Thanks...

Asian-Token-/--Fantasy-Item--???-|-Japanese-Temple-Token

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 Posted 11/22/2009  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know what it is, but I like it! Very cool looking!
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 Posted 11/22/2009  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just asked my Chinese girlfriend to look at it but she said the writing was very stylized which made it difficult to read given the size and resolution of the images (all I got out of her was the word "temple" is on the front). She just took a quick look since she wasn't especially interested. I'm guessing that someone else that speaks Chinese and is willing to sit and squint at it for a while can make it out. But if you can get better images I *might* be able to get her to look at it again.

Sorry, I tried!
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 Posted 11/22/2009  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bwbollom ...

Some times I get a weak moment and buy an item just because its cool and in this case it did not cost very much..

The thrill is not only in the hunt but also trying to find out what the item is... Thanks for your input..

Saruma.. thanks a bunch, I just bought it at a auction ( these are the auction pictures) and when I receive it in about 2 weeks I will take better pictures and post for your review. It would be nice to find out if this is real, what it means, if there is a year on it etc.

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 Posted 11/23/2009  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having just seen a great Samurai armor/art exhibit--the style of the armor looks very close to a suit on display.
But, I can't read either Japanese or Chinese, so I don't know about the calligraphy.
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 Posted 11/23/2009  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The shape is the same as that used for the Japanese 100 mon cash coins, but the design is radically different, and this doesn't have a hole in the centre.

Any idea what it's made of? I can't tell from the colour.
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 Posted 11/23/2009  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sap, when I receive the piece I will repost better clearer pictures, do the magnet test, weight and size... Although this auction picture isn't the greatest the warrior looks fairly detailed with plate armor, breast plate, sandals with straps and a simple stool which I am hoping may reflect the year of this piece...
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 Posted 11/23/2009  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Saruma.. The word Temple is right...

I just found out that this is a Temple Token From Honmyji.

Does anyone have any more in depth information on this Honmyji Temple

Here is what I have been able to find so far..

Kumamoto, a city in Japan, on the island of Kyushu, the administrative center of the prefecture of Kumamoto. 579 thousand. Population (1990).
The city is famous in the seventh century, developed from 1601, after the construction of the castle by Prince Cat Kiyomasa.
Sights: Temple Honmyji (sixteenth century), ruins of the castle (1601), the park Suizenji founded in 1632 as part of the temple, park Tatsuta (sixteenth century) from the grave Hosokawy Gracii (1563-1600), one of the most famous women of feudal Japan, passionate Catholic women, Mariko original form of the novel and film, Shogun, the tomb of Miyamoto Musashi (1584-1645), and the fencing master painter and calligrapher
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 Posted 11/23/2009  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to hear you are starting to make some progress here! So now it seems someone who reads Japanese will be better than Chinese (although many of the characters are the same since Japanese script originated out of Chinese script).

Now, if you were really lucky the coin would be as old as the temple! Somehow I bet it is much newer though. :)
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Alot of searching and speaking with some knowledgeable and good people I have the answer. It is not as old as the temple but I have never seen one before and its a keeper for the collection.

From the experts.. here is what it is..

"This is a temple medal/token produced sometime post 1868. It comes from Honmyouji temple in Kumamoto city in Kyuushuu island. The front samurai is probably the warlord Kato Kiyomasa (1562-1611). His was the founder of the temple in its Kumamoto location in 1600 when he moved in as warlord. He was an ardent devotee of Nichiren (Lotus Sutra) sect of Buddhism and this temple was the main one for his household.
The flag behind the warrior and the central column on the back say the invocation of the Lotus sutra "namu myouhou renge kyou"
The front bottom has on the left "Myouhouji" the name of the temple and on the right "Higo no kuni" the name of the province that Kumamoto is located in.
On the back I cannot read the top right and top left words very well but I think they refer to protection against illness and enemies.
the bottom left says Hachiman daijin a reference to the god of war common to samurai and the bottom right says Amaterasu Oomikami a reference to the sun goddess and the imperial house."
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 Posted 11/26/2009  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
d23:
Congrats on figuring it out! Very cool info on a very interesting token! It makes me wonder if temple tokes were produced for the many temples throughout Japan and if so, how difficult it would be to start a collection of them. I really like this...definitely something I need to look into a little more. Thanks for posting it and the follow up info!
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 Posted 11/26/2009  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a good-luck token made and sold in a gift shops. If you want something to collect I have several Japanese swords from that era 1562-1611 :-)
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Figman, the 3 experts I have spoken with would respectively disagree with you. All of them agree it is from the 19th century, it is a temple token and it is made of bronze and all agree it is from the Honmyoji Temple.

bwbollom.. This also has peaked my interest in these temple tokens and I for one will be looking for more and I am glad to share..

Here is a quote from one of the experts ( He is on the antique roadshow)

"The bronze says Higo no kuni Honmyoji (Higo is the old saying for Kumamoto prefecture where the Honmyoji temple is located) the reverse has a Buddhis motto. It dates to the 19th c. and is bronze, probably made for a warrior"
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 Posted 11/26/2009  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Figman, the 3 experts I have spoken with would respectively disagree with you"

Let me rephrase what I said, It's a good-luck token made and sold in "Temple" gift shops. I would say 1960+.

"It dates to the 19th c. and is bronze, probably made for a warrior"
That's a good one ;-)
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11/26/2009 2:42 pm
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