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Valued Member
United States
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Thank you for your information and suggestions, Biokemist6 and 925dealer. Once I learn more, I feel more comfortable to ask for a bigger discount from a coin dealer.
Jeff11: I hope that I did not lead the off topic discussions. (I am new to the coin collection and have many questions.) If you decide to become a coin dealer, I am sure that you will drive a Mercedes someday. I think the coin dealer it is a great job. Best wishes on your career selection. It seems that you are in the UK; otherwise, I will remember to visit your coin shop to buy something.
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New Member
United States
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I am both collector and part-time dealer. I began selling several years ago, but have been collecting for 40 years. Much of what I bought before I started the business remains segregated from the business. I do this by keeping business inventory in blue PCGS boxes and the collection in older green PCGS boxes. If I want to sell some of the collection, I simply conduct a no-profit transfer of the coin from the collection to the business inventory, log that transaction into the business books and put the original purchase receipt in the business file. When the business sells the coin, the cost basis is exactly the same as what I paid when I purchased the coin as a collector, and the company pays taxes on any profit above that amount. This strategy helps to exhume (or "unbury") me from coins for which I paid too much as a collector, because that loss is used to offset profits made by the business. That is advantageous, because as a collector, you cannot offset profits on some coins with losses on others. There aren't many coins in which I'm buried, but there are some. For other collectors who might be very buried, this strategy could really pay off. Naturally, I wrestle with selling coins to which I am particularly attached. Fortunately, my perspective has evolved to the point that everything now has its price, and I believe that every sale I make presents me with more opportunities to buy and learn about new issues. This business is building slowly, and is intended to supplement my retirement income in about 20 years. Just as importantly, it will be a good vehicle for my family to dispose of my holdings after my eventual demise. I'm fortunate to have an offspring unit with a keen interest in US coins who can manage that, and perhaps even keep the business going long after I'm gone. Best of luck to you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I was thinking to be a volunteer in a coin store to learn some practical numismatic skills, and perhaps buy some coins from the owner at a big discount.
Good luck with this. I went to this dealer http://www.tomscoin.com/And asked him if I could volunteer and do an internship sort of things at his shop and he didn't like that idea one bit. This was in a small town in North Dakota and I visited his shop regularly. When you go into his shop he has so much crap laying around and so much stuff to organize I thought for sure he would go for it. I must say he was a very rude man when trying to talk with him and I personally saw him rip off several people on cards and coins. Maybe he just didn't need the stuff, but he could have offered more for them. One time I asked him what a guy had to do to start a business like his. He stated, "give me 3 mill and you can have mine." Frankly, after looking through his inventory, I wouldn't call him a lier.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:Good luck with this. I went to this dealer http://www.tomscoin.com/And asked him if I could volunteer and do an internship sort of things at his shop and he didn't like that idea one bit. This was in a small town in North Dakota and I visited his shop regularly. When you go into his shop he has so much crap laying around and so much stuff to organize I thought for sure he would go for it. I must say he was a very rude man when trying to talk with him and I personally saw him rip off several people on cards and coins. Maybe he just didn't need the stuff, but he could have offered more for them. One time I asked him what a guy had to do to start a business like his. He stated, "give me 3 mill and you can have mine." Frankly, after looking through his inventory, I wouldn't call him a lier. I wish I had the time to offer that to someone because I would really enjoy it. But even if I did I don't have a relationship with any dealers out here in NC. When I lived in CA I had Mac's Coins in Sunnyvale. I was never a huge dollar customer but I consistently spent fivety bucks here, a hundred fivety there. And Dale always treated me like part of the shop. I never worried about getting ripped off. I even had a couple times he pointed something out on a coin I missed, "Did you see the small scratch behind Lincoln's ear? You may want to pick a different one." In any event that guy constantly had huge projects he was working on, coins to sort, numbers to crunch, etc. He was always playing catch up and I would have loved to work for him for free just to learn and be around coins.
Edited by USArmyParatrooper 12/21/2009 04:31 am
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Valued Member
 United Kingdom
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Theres some great responses here, addressed all sorts of issues so thank you all. I have started to More properly define what I intend on collecting and cataloging as much as I can, I'm really quite shocked at just how much material I actually have now I'm taking a detailed look. Strummer269, that was a great point on offsetting coins that I paid to much for - there arn't many but there are a few I have overpaid for over the years. Bought a few job lots at auction since I made this topic and doing well so far both online and through a small part of a local antique centre, with soem encouragement from my local numismatic society.
Thanks all for your advice and encouragement - if over the next few months I go full time and start turning a decent profit, i'll let you know!
www.kingstoncoincompany.co.uk
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Valued Member
United States
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Best wishes on your new adventure, Jeff11. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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By any chance, does anyone know the average income of a local coin store owner or of a national wholesale coin dealer? Thanks.
I would really think your kidding asking that one. Your discussing a buisness where inventory, purchases, etc are as vague as a drug dealer.  Of course if you have a legal shop, you must have all kinds of records. Some dealers have to keep great records so they can use traveling and other expenses as tax write offs. But then too there are dealers that technically have NO income at all. For example I know a person that sells at flea markets and coins are his primary item. Technically he is unimployed, has no income, buys and sells nothing. Then too there is a dealer I know well at coin shows that does nothing but coin shows, told me he is always in the 6 digit figures per Month and that is NET. Has no coin store, no web site, no internet salesa of purchases, just coin shows. Then too unless you are yourself a coin dealer, only you would REALLY know how much you make. This coin buisness is way to off the record type of situation to even think you'ld ever get an honest answer. Sort of like asking a gang banger where he gets his guns.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:I sell coins at local flea markets. Very low overhead. My main sellers are common date U.S. silver, kitschy silver rounds, common date GSA morgan CCs (very popular), and the ASE reverse proof. Also a smattering of misc. U.S. coins, depending. I don't sell anything I'm attached to. On my best day I made over a grand. On my worst I sold nothing. I don't consider myself a dealer. IMO too much downside to put a lot of effort into. I've read lots of posts here on the subject, take a look, decide for yourself. I can tell you this, it is a lot of fun as long as you're not buried in it. And one nice thing is I'll bet you don't report that as income. At least no one around here reports anything sold or puchased at a flea market.
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Valued Member
United States
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Just Carl: It seems that a person needs to learn a lot of practical skills and knowledge to be a good coin dealer (and rich businessman). Your point probably contributes to the reason that a coin dealer does not want a volunteer in the store. For me, a coin collector, I just try to learn more to get a better deal on my coin purchases.
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