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 Posted 12/18/2009  6:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tomasse to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm no expert with coins, so i'd like an experts opinion.
Please, anyone who knows, please help me identify the following coin's,
origin, value, authenticity.

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 Posted 12/18/2009  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RHM22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a Russian poltina of Alexander I, .868 fine silver, but I can't be 100% sure of that. I don't know the value, but I'm sure it wouldn't be very much because of the condition.
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Origin: Russia, as RHM22 said. A "poltina" is half a rouble.

Value: Probably not much above bullion, given the scratches on the obverse. BV is currently about 3.50 euros at the moment; this coin would be four or five euros at the most.

Authenticity: probably genuine.
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Does anyone know anything about Russian mintmarks?
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 Posted 12/18/2009  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RHM22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, I don't know anything about Russian mintmarks.
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 Posted 12/18/2009  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mintmark on this coin is the "CIIB" at the bottom of the reverse inscriptions. "C" is Russian "S", "II" is Russian "P" and "B is the same as our "B". "SPB" is short for Saint Petersburg. Not that it makes much difference for this particular coin; at the time this one was struck, Saint Petersburg was the only mint striking silver.

The letters below the eagle, Russian "PD", are the initials of the Saint Petersburg mintmaster in 1820, Paul Danilov.
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 Posted 12/19/2009  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"C" is Russian "S", "II" is Russian "P" and "B is the same as our "B".


"II" is actually "#1055;", like a Creek pi; (pi), upper case. And "B" is actually "#1041;". So the mint mark is "#1057;.#1055;.#1041;."
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Never mind then. I'm going to use my own advice I gave to Zaggy after he tried to post stuff in fraktur. What I meant to say in my previous post was


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It's interesting that I previewed my previous post and it was fine, but then it turn out as abracadabra.
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 Posted 12/19/2009  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which other mintmarks appear on Russian coins? Seems to me that there were no mintmarks on Soviet coins...were there?
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 Posted 12/19/2009  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tomasse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow...thanks for the help guys.
I'm able to find more info now with the info you provided me.
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Glad we could help, tomasse.

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It's interesting that I previewed my previous post and it was fine, but then it turn out as abracadabra.

I've run into this same problem before here on CCF, so you can see why I didn't try to type the proper Cyrillic characters.

I didn't notice the "B" wasn't actually a "B" though. My bad.
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The is a Russian character "B" but it corresponds to Latin "V".
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 Posted 12/19/2009  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From this post: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...39002#309917 - for Greek letters:


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You can type &gamma for &gamma and &Gamma for &Gamma


You should be able to do the same for other characters, using the name. Not sure about the decimal equivalent, though, maybe some experimentation is in order.

#1057;.#1055;.#1041; is adding & at the beginning with the ;
#1057.#1055.#1041 is adding & at the beginning and taking off the ;
&1057.&1055.&1041 is replacing the # with & and no ;
&1057;.&1055;.&1041; is replacing the # with & with the ;

First and second work when previewing, 3 and 4 do not. When you edit the post they get all messed up, too. I guess only the name will work if there is one, the numeric codes don't
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 Posted 12/20/2009  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at the Soviet coins I have, and I cannot say I figured the rule according to which they put or not the mint mark. Most of the coins are without MM, but you see one occasionally. You will have a better chance to see a MM on coins of precious metals.
I will show a couple of examples for WpgLwr. I circled the MM.
Here's LMD:

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And here's MMD:

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Thanks for the info!
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