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Odd Shine On A Morgan

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I'll post pics if necessary, but maybe you guys can tell from the description:

I'm sorting through piles of Morgans, and among the circulated coins, there are two 1921-S that shine as if they were plated with chrome or stainless. It's not the shine of the uncirculateds that I have, and they are worn. They seem the same weight as the regular coin. Could this come about from a proof coin entering into circulation?
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They have probably been polished, thereby virtually ruining any numismatic they may have once had.
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San Francisco did not mint proofs until 1968, prior to that virtually all proofs were minted in Philly. Your coins have almost certainly been buffed to a high gloss making them worth only their silver content.
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Thanks, excellent info, I appreciate it!
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I would definitely guess polished.
It looks shiny but really ruins the natural luster of the original mint.
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San Francisco did not mint proofs until 1968, prior to that virtually all proofs were minted in Philly.

There were 24 1921-S "Zerbe Proof" Morgans struck for Farren Zerbe to go with the small number of 1921 Philadelphia proofs he had made. (See also 1921 Chapman proofs) These coins are not the quality seen for normal proofs and then to come heavily hairlined (although the hairlines are seldom mentioned.)

It is MUCH more likely though that the coin has been polished as mentioned earleir.
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01/19/2010 10:27 am
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The Zerbes were minted at San Francicso? Why do they not have the S mintmark?
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Zerbe had proofs made at both Philadelphia and San Francisco. The Philadelphia proofs are more common.
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Interesting, after a bit more research the 1921-S Zerbe Morgans do indeed exist and are exceedingly rare with maybe 6-8 survivors out of an unknown original mintage thought to be 24. Heritage has auctioned 32 1921-P Zerbes but not a single S Zerbe. I did find an interesting article from a 2007 issue of The Numismatist http://www.neilsberman.com/pdf/news...tic_9_07.pdf
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Even more interesting is continuing belief in Zerbe proofs and Zerbe dies.

Some very interesting reading can be found on vamorld by typing in the keyword 'Zerbe'.
Worthwhile reading are threads titled:

What is a Zerbe die?

A bit of Farran Zerbe...

So how did Farran Zerbe talk the mint...

1921 Zerbe dies
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