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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: I have cleaned the PVC green residue off of hundreds of silver coins using clear amonia with incredible results. The coins need to be placed in a glass container with a slightly rounded bottom. Some coins will clean in 5-15 minuets and some will require hours of soaking. Once soaked, remove and lightly roll a Q-tip but don't rub, then place in another glass container with distilled water and soak for a few minuets. Place the coin on a very soft sloth and pat dry. The amonia stinks as well but without the dangers of acetone. It will not change the toning.
Almost a little funny. Soaking in Acetone for hours? Where did you ever hear that? Some will clean in 5 - 15 minutes? Also, where did you hear that? Roll a Q-tip on the coin? Why not just use a Brillo pad? Ammonia is fairly dangerous to breath but then again, so is Acetone. And since Amonia is not dangerous, I'll pass that along to a neighbor that ended up in the hospital from breathing that. Of course she has asma but you don't warn people of anything except just run out and use Amonia. Now exactly what strength Amonia do you suggest? For how long? How do you put the coin in and take it out? Just as people say place in Acetone, you should detail ALL the details. Of course if you look up claening coins you will also find lighter fluid, Prune Juice, Lemon Juice, Spit, Battery Acid, Olive Oil and on and on and on. I'm still waiting for the NitroGlycerine method.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Okay, since this cleaning/acetone topic is back around, I have a question in a somewhat relevant vain... if this is not an appropriate post/topic, just delete it or whatever. Anyway, I found a 10 karat(marked!) gold bracelet in a bathroom sink drain. It was just beyond the P-trap and, I thought, clinging to some other debris. Turns out it was kinda "welded" to the copper drain pipe. It took a bit of a tug to get it out. I soaked it in acetone (yup, nail polish remover and clearly marked acetone... please, lecture not required on the horrors of impure acetone  ) for about an hour. It cleaned up rather nicely, except at the points where it was stuck to the copper pipe  . So, being not a coin, I put some toothpaste on my thumb and forefinger and pulled the bracelet through... to see if the grey spots would polish off... then tried "Comet" (a scratch free bathroom cleanser... guess where I was  ). Still no dice. So, I drew it through some kind of abrasive scouring pad (a green woolen kinda ball. I've used pads of similar stuff to sand wood between coats of varnish/poly). This worked great! The bracelet looks mighty fine now, but in between the links there's still that dark grey/black "stain". I figure it has been in that drain for several years to a decade. I didn't bother with pictures because I doubt I'd get a shot between the tiny links that would be of any use. I don't know if these spots will wear off... the stuff seems rather hard to polish away and not all points inside the links would come in common contact. If wearing the thing, the discolouration inside the links would not be all that noticeable really, but can be seen easily if the bracelet is held up as one length. I won't go out and get an ultrasonic cleaner or anything... just wondering if there's some bathroom chemistry to finish the job. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey Carl...lighten up a little.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sap: Yes, it's lower than .500. It's a 1976 40% silver proof set. Both the half and quarter have a green oxidation spot.
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 United States
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Quote: Hey Carl...lighten up a little. Keep in mind, Carl is a chemist by profession and an experienced collector with conservative views. He normally plays the Devil's Advocate here, and even when I'm the one incurring his wrath (the next time won't be the first), I consider his opinion to be that of someone who should be listened to. He's not wrong, either. The use of *any* chemical on *any* coin should be carefully researched and considered. Any step above that of gingerly reaching a coin into distilled water carries risks both to the coin and to your health, and you only get one of each in life. Too many people, I'm afraid myself included sometimes, base their advice on either limited personal experience or poorly-vetted information acquired online, and fail to include the whole picture of procedure or potential dangers.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: it's lower than .500. It's a 1976 40% silver proof set. Both the half and quarter have a green oxidation spot The silver Bicentennials are not composed of the billon alloy(<.500 fineness) that Sap is referring to because they are silver clad. The outer clad layer is .800 with a .200 core.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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SuperDave and Carl, I am in no way doubting Carl's expertise. I have read many of Carl's posts and I do believe he knows what he's talking about. But, I don't always agree with his approach. He kept asking "where did you hear that?" It was from personal experience. The poster clearly stated he was posting his own methods. And, yes, I agree. We do need differing views to come to the best conclusions. I just don't always agree with the way he words his opinions. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but they often come off as unnecessarily sarcastic and a little aggressive.  That's just MY opinion 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: SuperDave and Carl,
I am in no way doubting Carl's expertise. I have read many of Carl's posts and I do believe he knows what he's talking about.
But, I don't always agree with his approach. He kept asking "where did you hear that?" It was from personal experience. The poster clearly stated he was posting his own methods.
And, yes, I agree. We do need differing views to come to the best conclusions. I just don't always agree with the way he words his opinions. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but they often come off as unnecessarily sarcastic and a little aggressive.
That's just MY opinion
Of course we all have opinions. My main concern with subjects of the usage of dangerous substances is the EXTREAME lack of precautions. By this I mean way to many just blurt out statements such as USE AMONIA. No safety precautions, not detailed instructions, no health cautions, just use amonia or nail polish or battery acid. The sargastic and aggressive attitude is from many years of seeing people that no longer can SEE. People in hospitals, kids with burned limbs and all from some basic, non detailed instructions. Teaching in a college you would expect less problems with an older age group but people are people and way to many just believe all on the internet as fact. With something as simple as cleaning coins, everyone should realize that there are possibly even 8, 10, 12 year olds reading. Not to mention people in their 60's, 70's, etc. Just My Opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I understand your concern, Carl. I really do. Acetone, ammonia and practically everything under the kitchen sink is very dangerous if used incorrectly. Too often, people have a cavalier attitude towards these potential time bombs  I completely agree with your message, I just didn't care for your delivery. But, you probably don't care for my whining, either!  Keep putting the word out there about the dangers of these chemicals, Carl. 
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New Member
United States
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Just an observation. Some folks are just asking what works and what doesn't work. The 'Brillo pad' or similar comments are really of no use to anyone. It's really irritating to read a post where someone asks "how" and get bombarded with "you know I wouldn't do that" and never answer the specific question. You either "don't know" or you do know. Either way, that's all the poster is usually asking for. Some aren't interested in the opinions relative to what one should and wouldn't do. Some aren't only interested in the facts, without the judgmental overtone.
Having said all that...try lighter fluid. It works great and has no ill effects. It is especially good with copper (which is normally very difficult to "conserve")
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Meanwhile back to the original problem. Which as noted is something that truely is missed most of the time. The method of entering and removing a coin from whatever solution it many be immersed in. In chemistry many items are made of glass and usually Pyrex. You do not have to be a chemist to know that if you try Walmart, Kmart, Target, etc. you may find in their cooking utinsil areas glass type items for tossing salads. Usually appear as something to grab something with. If you use this to lower the coin, swirl around a little, remove and place in a saucer of distilled water, then just slide out onto something like a cloth towel. Unfortuately many stores are slowly replacing glass utinsils with plastic or stainless steel. It may not be easy pending your areas stores but if you look, should find lots of glass items. Not sure but I wonder if cooking supply places would also carry such utinsils. Just checked out https://www.sciplus.com a science supply house and oddly although they carry lots of glass items for chem labs, didn't see anything for grabbing a coin. Need some more research.
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