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1880 Morgan Inquiry

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 Posted 02/25/2010  7:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bruce02 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would love to know what you folks think of this coin . Didn't use my Iphone this time. I was also wondering your opinion of retail coin shops . I was really not satisfied with what a local shop was offering. Grading and a reasonable price would be much appreciated.

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 Posted 02/25/2010  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well as far as detail goes it looks like MS-64. But there appears to be corrosion on the obverse (not toning), this is going to drop the overall grade quite a bit. If this was sent in to be graded it would probably come back as genuine but ungraded. Try and acetone dip it might remove some of the corrosion. I think the value in this state would be around $35-$40.
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the background has a mirrored finish but hard to show it here. I am afraid to use anything on the surface . HAHAHAH
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The reddish-brown on the obverse could be (relatively recent?) toning, but it always makes me nervous to see anything approaching a shade of green on silver. That could be a sign of PVC contamination, which is bad news. I also wonder about the marks behind the head; are they scratches?

Beyond those points, if those aren't scratches what remains is a rather frosty MS64 coin. If everything I see is natural, explainable and non-damaging, it's about a $70 coin in a slab.
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 Posted 02/25/2010  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS 64 is my call as well. However, I am not sure your coin will holder at a third party grading company. Those apparent scratches behind Liberty's head give me pause. Super Dave is correct about the possibility of PVC contamination.
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the scratches behind the head don't appear to be in the metal but surface smudge. is there anything I can do for the PVC contamination?
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WOW>>>.. ok I took a cotton sock to this coin. no water or solution. just a slight rub. the tarnish or contamination came off really easy you can still see the marks behind the head. but they are not deep scratches

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 Posted 02/26/2010  03:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add busthalf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a big fan of rubbing.
BUT
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Wow that makes a big difference, as I said earlier MS-64. Value increased $65-$70.
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ok I took a cotton sock to this coin. no water or solution. just a slight rub.


Even though the images don't show it, chances are you just left swipe marks on the coin which will prevent it from being graded by a TPG, and you've reduced the value as a result to about $30.
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Personally, I would rather have the coin as it is with a light rub then what it had before, so I don't think the monetary impact was too bad. That said, it is rarely a good idea to clean coins.
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Personally, I would rather have the coin as it is with a light rub then what it had before,


If rubbing it with a cloth was able to remove the coating, then non-invasive liquid treatments could have done just as easily, without ruining the coin. A Q-tip will kill a silver coin, if used dry. Furthermore, if the green on the coin is PVC, this treatment did not solve the problem.
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Rubbing is never a good thing to do. I have looked over these pictures very closely and have been able to enlarge the image to over 200% and I not seeing any hair lines. Though as SuperDave said if they are present than the coin would be ungradeable and the value reduced.
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 Posted 02/26/2010  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ugh, that coin has a very unnatural look now


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I am afraid to use anything on the surface

You were afraid to use water or acetone but not afraid to rub the coin Water and organic solvents such as acetone will only remove surface contaminants, they will not harm the metal They will not even remove the toning because that is part of the metal. ANY type of mechanical friction on a coin will leave scratches, regardless of how soft an item you may think you are using. As SuperDave mentioned, even a cotton q-tip will leave marks. Reminds me of this thread from a few months ago.
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I appreciate all of feedback. I knew there was a chance to screw up the coin . The tarnish was so bad and much different then the back. I thought I would see how it came out. I
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Bio I think the unatural look has more to do with lighting. There is still a nice petina on the coin. Again thanks for all the feedback. I am learning a ton
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