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Old German Token? Or A Medal? Or A Coin? | Diorama Token

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hello,
can anyone help with this one? I seem to hit walls everywhere..
It has something to do with a Christmas fair?
thanks a bunch to all
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GUT FUR FUNF SILBER GROSCHEN: Well for five Silver Groschen

GEBR GROPIUS: Refers to the Gropius Brothers: Ferdinand Gropius (1796-1830) and George Gropius (1802-1842), publishers and managers of a Diorama in Berlin.

WEIHNACHTS AUSSTELLUNG I'm DIORAMA: Means Christmas exhibition in the Diorama.

The Germans have big Christmas markets (was in Cologne for one in December) this appears to be either a commemorative or entry coin/token for one of the Gropius brothers company diorama stalls. Very interesting.
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 Posted 03/11/2010  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume it's a token of some kind; the legend on the left side says "good for 5 silbergroschen". The silbergroschen was a coin denomination in several pre-Imperial German states. So whatever it is, it seems to date from before 1870.
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thank you so far...but we still do not know what it really is.
picked it up for $ 20 at an antique shop.
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OK, with a bit more Googling and Google-translating (and with bobbyhelmet's information) I turned up the following:

The Gropius Brothers Diorama opened in Berlin in 1828 (which was at the time in the German state of Prussia) and closed in 1850. The admission price was 10 silbergroschen, so possession of this token presumably let you in to the Christmas show for half price. The Christmas shows were apparently especially popular - maybe at least in part because of advertising gimmicks like these tokens.

A "diorama" was a very early form of picture theatre, in which large silkscreen paintings of beautiful or spectacular scenes were slowly scrolled past an audience, with skilful use of lighting and shadow creating the illusion of movement and other "special effects". The light source was the Sun, so it only ran during the daytime and presumably visitors on cloudy days got a much more subdued experience. It all sounds pretty lame now in our age of 3D-interactive virtual worlds, but 200 years ago the diorama was the most thrilling show in town.

A quick note on the currency system in Prussia at the time: there were 30 silbergroschen to a thaler, which was a large silver coin worth about 2/3 of a US silver dollar. So this token originally had a face value equivalent to about 11 cents.
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Sap,
that is great, thanks a bunch.
just wondering what it is really worth today?
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No idea; tokens aren't usually collected very much outside of their country of issue. Even if a catalogue listing it has been published, "foreign tokens" are usually sold at a steep discount to their in-country catalogue price, because of the lack of demand.

You paid $20 for it. I guess that means it's worth $20.

What metal is it made of? I can't tell from the pic.
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Thank you SAP
it is copper, no question about it.
I will try and engage some German dealers... maybe it is worth a 'fortuna" ?
thank you for your help
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