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 Posted 05/27/2010  07:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is anyone building particular number set? I saw an old post by "karrlot" who is collecting SN's with 2's and 8's. If anyone is seriously building a numbers set please chime in.

Right now, I have some going on with 1 and 4 and others that I am just saving in case I run into the appropriate numbers. I am hoping at some point if others are doing this we can trade (Not sure about this 250 post rule) the notes what each other needs.

Also I would like to know what criteria you are using - such as
Does the series year and Alphas in the SN matter for what you are trying to accomplish. I am sort on the fence with this one.

Thanks
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 Posted 05/27/2010  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add karrlot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most people refer to these bills as 'binary' (even though the numbers may be something other than 0's and 1's), so keep that in mind as you are searching for information or bills for sale.

I am trying to put together a set with of 2 and 8. I started out trying to build a set of actual binary 0's and 1's. I picked those because I actually have 00000001 that I found in circulation many years ago. I bought a few notes of 0's and 1's but quickly realized two things: 1) that is an impossible set to put together because you'll never find 00000000, 2) any note that has 7 zeros is going to be priced WAY out of my league.
I got an unc. strap from the bank that was numbered 82222201-82222300. So it had 82222222, 82222228, 82222282, 82222288. So that it where I started.

I've been working on it for about 3 years and right now have about 35 bills. I think there are a total of 256 bills that I need.

I'm only doing $1 bills. I've passed on a number of different denominations. I figure that will be hard enough to put together without getting concerned with Federal Reserve district, block letter, or series. I've got a number of different series including a silver cert. Give me a few more years and may be picking up anything I get.

With the exception of that strap, I've only found one binary bill in circulation, so frankly I don't think you're going to be able to put a set together from circulation.

I have passed on a few other $1's that I think are priced too high. Unless it is a good number, I don't want to pay more than about $10. A good number would be a radar (a palindrome) or a bill with a lot of one number in a row (82222288). The problem is that there are only 256 bills that you are looking for out of 96,000,000 bills printed, so you only have a 1 in 375,000 chance of finding one. Most people don't even look at the numbers on a bill, so most binary bills are just in ciruculation and get worn out. If you pass on a bill, what are the odds that you are ever going to see that number again?

There are a few currency dealers on the web that sell them (http://www.tickleyourfancycurrency.com/) is one that I've purchased from. Wheresgeorge.com has a discussion forum for buying and selling bills.

Most of my bills I have purchased off of ebay. Here's a few hints:
set up a saved search for "binary" in the paper money section and have the results emailed to you daily. Check them at least every few days. If a bill comes up and you miss it, who knows when you'll get it again?
also do searches by 'solid' and 'radar' in the paper money section. Often sellers won't put the phrase 'binary' in the listing, they will say it is 'almost solid' or 'near solid'. They also sometimes list that it is a 'radar' but forget to mention that it is a 'binary' (that seems like selling a house that has "beautifully manicured front lawn" but not mentioning that the backyard includes a boat dock for the lake).

Keep in mind that your solid bills (22222222) are going to be A LOT (over $1000).

Here are some thoughts I've had:

You can't put a set together that 0's because you'll never get 00000000.
7's and 8's (I think in some cultures) are "lucky" numbers. Solid or near solid bills will be more expensive than other numbers.
9's are not an easy set to put together -
The highest bill printed in a normal printing run is 96000000. The BEP does print special runs higher than that, but in general not often. You're probably not going to find 99XXXXXX, 99XXXXX9, 99XXXX99, etc. Anything above 96000000 is going to be rare and expensive.
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I hadn't given it much thought till now. Karrlot's post makes it sound pretty fun to try to put together. I even have a one that has the serial 4222 2444 that I found in circulation in good shape. I have a few other binarys as well. I don't think I would limit myself in any way except perhaps for denominations.
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Karrlot,, Thanks for getting back.

I agree on the 0 and 9, as that would be a futile attempt with certain guaranty of failure.

I was lucky to run into SN's 4411 1001 to 4411 2000. My initial thought was to sell it some point. But then the more I got into it and researched it further I realized that you could build various sets from these numbers (depending which number you decided to anchor).

I still have with me 4411 1101 to 4411 1200 and quite a few notes from the 1401 to 1500. I also was lucky to get the quad doubles from the previous brick (4411 0011 etc). In various forms I have managed to anchor 1, 2 and 4. Minimum qualification for this group is that they have to be tri's

Currently, I am building various sets, with 3 digit bookends being the simplest (there is one in each brick). I also have quite a few tri's, radars etc. These are all un circulated notes from bricks. My idea here is to trade / sell / barter these notes for the various 4 & 1 combos I need OR for other notes.

My finds from searching circulated notes is dismal as it relates to binaries. I probably have gone through over 100K and have come across only 3 or 4 binaries which I have put in my sons album.

As it relates to high numbers - I actually have notes that begin with 99 and 999 which I have pulled from strap searching.

For the time being I am not guying to buy any, however I am watching various sites to see how / what folks are doing as it relates to number sets. Solid and near solids would be the last things I go after then again I may by pass it depending on what I run into at face value.

At some point, if you are interested and now Siuol wants to join in we should start something on the "trade" section for the notes / numbers we are after. Hopefully if other members run into something we are after and they are just casual passers by who are not into this venture and want to pass it along our hurdle would not be that high. Else the folks interested in this can trade amongst each other. Just a thought.

How in the world did you end up with 0001? My lowest is something like 1xxx.

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At some point, if you are interested and now Siuol wants to join in we should start something on the "trade" section for the notes / numbers we are after


That sounds like a good idea.


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How in the world did you end up with 0001?


In high school I was delivering pizzas. As I was cashing out one night I saw it. I thought it would be a great bill to play liers poker with, so I saved it. I didn't want to get it mixed in with my regular money, so I folded it up in 1/8ths into a little square and put it in a pocket in my wallet. When ever I wanted to show it off, I would take it out, unfold it, pass it around, refold it and put it back in that little pocket.

That is a prime example of someone destroying something they don't know anything about! It doesn't have any tears, but its awfully limp!

Here is another prime example. Also an example of why collectors hate that website http://forums.wheresgeorge.com/show...php?t=149685
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 Posted 05/29/2010  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a shame. Any idea why someone would do that? I read the stuff over there and have a hard time negotiating that website. Ergo, I spend little time on that site.

I am trying to see if I can get something simple done with "Progressive numbers" - This is a toughie as it would eventually lead to a solid. But I have seen simpler sets put together with radars or expensive sets that lead to a solid. I have a couple of different combos going on currently. In your case it would go something like this

8222 2228
8822 2288
8882 2888

OR

8222 2222
8822 2222
8882 2222
8888 2222
8888 8222
8888 8822
8888 8882
8888 8888

I started the one below from 2 back to back radar bricks I ran into (4829 9284 and 4830 0384) early this week. I would need 4833 3333 to finish this off. If I am lucky that radar brick (4833 3) got distributed around my area.

4830 0003
4830 0033
4830 0333
4830 3333

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