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 Posted 07/18/2010  10:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I saw a 1935A $1 dollar brown seal Hawaii note today. It has the small Hawaii overprint on the front side, but does NOT have the large "Hawaii" overprint on the back side. This is new to me as I thought all of them did.

Quick question. Is it worth less because of this?
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 Posted 07/18/2010  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It sounds to me that someone is trying pull a fast one. OR, it could have escaped being overprinted on the reverse. If that is the case I think that it would be categorized as an error note which would add to the value. All authentic "Hawaii" notes should have the reverse overprint on them. So either it is a fake or an error.
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 Posted 07/18/2010  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that attempting to remove the overprint would leave telltale signs of alteration, but like Tim said, HAWAII is an overprint, and as such could be omitted causing an error.

Far more likely though is the probability that if you are seeing this note on the internet, you are looking at the face of a Hawaii note, and the back of some other note.

If you are looking at it in hand, and see no signs of tampering, buy it, (and then sell it to me).
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There is something going on with it, but I don't think it is intentional. I can actually see the words Hawaii through the front of the note so the picture of the back isn't that note.
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Just to put this to rest. I contacted the person who had it and he said he mistakenly put a picture of a North Africa bill as the back side. So I naturally bought both of the notes from him :)
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 Posted 07/18/2010  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, of course, "naturally"! That went without saying.
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 Posted 07/25/2010  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I told you zeewool I would post a pictures for you after the mailman came around.



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 Posted 07/25/2010  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another winner. I like this sort of stuff very much.

You have there a note that was intended for use in the Pacific theater. The Hawaii and North Africa $1 notes did not use special serial number blocks, but were interspersed between runs of normal 1935A $1 notes printed between 1942-1944.
Hawaii $1 notes with the FC block were not even intended for use in the Pacific, but printed for interested parties on the mainland US.
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 Posted 07/26/2010  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice notes you are picking up and doing it in style. Congrats.

I too have come to the conclusion that for some of this stuff you need to stay with notes in slabs as it takes the guess work out. Costs extra but it's well worth it.

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stay with notes in slabs as it takes the guess work out


Agreed. I think one of my motivating factors was I picked up a 1928 uncirculated funny back last week. I was so excited when it came in until I got a good look at it. Yes it is crisp, but it had obviously been handled A LOT the corners are worn and the center of the note is dirty from not so clean hands pulling it out of the plastic protector (probably where the worn corners came from too).

My first thought was this is not the note I bid on, so I went back and looked. It was, but the photograph had seen some time in Photoshop I think. I still haven't decided if I am going to send it back since I actually got it for a good price even with the wear.

So yes to the "slabs" as you called them.
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Good point, I wish that those slabs (or holders or whatever a person may call them) were a bit more compact though. Maybe that gun safe idea was such a bad one after all.
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I don't care if all you collect is bubble gum wrappers. A safe is a must. In addition to the story about my collection falling into the hands of children I love the fact that I can leave the house for a vacation knowing that my girlfriends kids are going to be partying there and feel secure knowing my stash is secure.

Don't have kids? Criminals live in your town.
Don't have criminals? Safes are fire proof too.
Don't have fires?
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 Posted 07/27/2010  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up a note where the pic was enhanced but there are a couple of things going for note. I am still researching this particular note and only venture into "raw notes" if "something" else is going on with it. These situations surface when the seller misclassifies a note.

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You have there a note that was intended for use in the Pacific theater. The Hawaii and North Africa $1 notes did not use special serial number blocks, but were interspersed between runs of normal 1935A $1 notes printed between 1942-1944.
Hawaii $1 notes with the FC block were not even intended for use in the Pacific, but printed for interested parties on the mainland US.


I did not know that.. thanks for mentioning that, zeewool. Now I'm going to have to dig out my Hawaii notes to see which ones they are... very cool
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Only 12,000 Hawaii notes printed with the FC block, and they sell for large premiums over the more common Pacific theater notes, but they are not as rare as the small printing might suggest due to the fact that they never saw circulation in the overseas zones.
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