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1840 O Seated Liberty Quarter On Ebay - Legit?

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Saw this while browsing ebay. Legit or no? I feel it's a bit fishy due to the placement of the mintmark and lack of dentils on the rim.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1840-O-FINE-SEA...em4cf04fca09
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For what it's worth, I wouldn't touch it... The fields are way too gobbled ant the die breaks on the rev are kinda strange. I don't know, but I'm with you - and if two sets of guts say walk away, it's probably a good idea.
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That does appear to be a normal mint mark position, and there are plenty of examples out there with worn out (missing) denticles.

I'm curious how that could be.

But other than that, I can't comment on the coins authenticity.



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08/03/2010 3:13 pm
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In a quick perusal of the Heritage archives, I found a twin to the coin in question- same mint mark position and same lack of denticles.
http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...Lot_No=20032

The seller is also powerseller who has almost 3000 FB in 12 years and very good FB with no negs and only 2 neutrals.
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bio, any theory on why they aren't there? It seems like it might be wear...those above about EF40 have them, and below don't tend to. Just seems weird how they could wear out so evenly to disappear like that.

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Interesting, after looking at the evidence on Heritage, I'd get even further away from the ebay coin! They've worn very differently, the 8 is a completely different shape, and although the reverse is similar, the ebay coin shows even less "ICA" - it's almost gone. But what bothers me most is the wear on lady Lib on the obv, the features are all rounded on the ebay coin whereas on the heritage, showing the same detail, they're flat.

I may be - and probably am - wrong. I've nowhere near the experience as the proponents. But my gut says "Nope."

btw - that's a great find bio! And for sure the dealer is not in question. But I don't trust that coin. It just doesn't have the right look for me.
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After seeing several other examples, I'm starting to think that maybe the 1840-O is just a very weakly struck issue and the denticles wear out very quickly?
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cperry, that is my impression on the coin.

I certainly don't think it can be immediately dismissed as a fake except by someone who has extensive knowledge on this series. Was really hoping someone would chime in about it.

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Remember that the New Orleans Mint had only opened in 1838. It was one of the first branch mints along with Charlotte and Dahlonega and none of them were known for producing quality coins in the antebellum era. Charlotte and Dahlonega were permanently closed after the Civil War but New Orleans was deemed too important because New Orleans had the largest economy outside of the East Coast and it eventually reopened in 1879.
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This is also a no drapery quarter type of 1838, 1839. They have much lighter, finer denticals than the with drapery type has. You will also find that on the no-drapery quarter the figure of liberty was smaller and the rev legends were further from the denticals than on the with drapery coins. The lack of denticals and the smaller design makes it look odd.
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