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Pillar of the Community
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Thad I love verdigone and verdicare, but do you really want to enter the realm of artificial toning? Personally I would never use an AT but each to his own I guess. Good luck with your new product and I wish you great success with it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Tim - I realize it's a controversial topic. Nonetheless, there is a demand for such a product. Since the VT uses the exact same process as natual toning (hydrogen sulfide) I don't consider it artificial, I call it accelerated toning.
Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Bedrock of the Community
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Let me know when this stuff goes on sale.  Thad: I've had these bottles laying around for some time now and I'd be happy to send them to you for your experiments.  "Tanfastic" Copper Coin Darkener is not nearly as well known as Deller's but neither were to my liking.   Brad Edited by BH1964
08/15/2010 11:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Brad - I'd be very interested in trying those products.
Thanks!
Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Since the VT uses the exact same process as natural toning (hydrogen sulfide) I don't consider it artificial, I call it accelerated toning. Isn't hydrogen sulfide the gas that comes from rotten eggs? I know I saw something about putting coins in a bag with eggs in a thread on artificial toning. I guess I just don't get how this is different. |
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I rather like the results. I have some copper coins that I purchased when I was very young and not as wise. Consider me as a tester if you would like. I have a cleaned AU 1826 Half Cent and some AU Indian Head cents that someone tried to pass off as Unc. Again, young and uninformed. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Isn't hydrogen sulfide the gas that comes from rotten eggs? I know I saw something about putting coins in a bag with eggs in a thread on artificial toning. I guess I just don't get how this is different.
Yes, hydrogen sulfide gas (as well as other gases) is given off any decaying organic matter. It's in the air you're breathing right now albeit at an imperceptible level. The difference is VT uses controlled release technology and it ONLY gives off hydrogen sulfide. Using rotting organic matter to tone coins is completely uncontrolled. You will usually just end up with black coins because there's too much being released along with other gases and chemical compounds. Those other chemical components can act to damage the surface. VT is safe and slow so the collector has complete control over the process. |
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Thanks for the explanation, but what I meant was if putting coins in a bag with eggs for the hydrogen sulfide is artificial toning, how is putting coins in an envelope with Verdi-Tone for the hydrogen sulfide not artificial toning?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Therein lies the great debate over NT and AT! In general, there's no scientific way to differentiate NT and AT. IMO, the proper definition of toning should be "market acceptable" and "market unacceptable".
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Bedrock of the Community
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I finished my laboratory analysis of Dellers and Tantastic today. First off, the product documentation for these is HORRIBLE. The Tanstasic product is beyond unbelievable! Dellars - Nothing more than a heavy paraffinic white oil with sulfur. It's about 7000 ppm of sulfur which is fairly high. Tantastic - This is just a commercial liquid detergent with a lot of sulfur emulsified into it. It even smells nice! The sulfur level was > 100,000 ppm! That's more than 10% sulfur! This is definitely a home brew concoction. Somebody simply bought some sulfur powder and stirred it into a bucket of liquid detergent. You can even see black impurities where dirt or whatever got into the batch. LOL My analysis shows why these products are inferior. They are simply dissolved oil/detergent/sulfur mixtures. It also explains why so many people have ruined their coins with them. They are just exposing the coin to a ton of elemental sulfur.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks for the update Thad. I can't remember where the Tanfastic stuff came from, but I know it wasn't a tanning salon!
Deller's is widely used however. I thought the Deller's would be a decent product but as you've noted, it's not a good product either. At least the Deller's tubes are reusable. They're actually miniature cent tubes (20 pcs or so max) and labeled "Cents".
Keep us posted on your work. My belief is that the potential market for VERDI-TONE™ is larger than for your other products. If it works on silver coins, then you'll have a huge market.
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Valued Member
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i am new here badthad I read I think here about carbon spots does verdigone clean them up? what dos it do and why do you use it?
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Pillar of the Community
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I also say I fail to see the significant difference between AT and this process. We all know how toning happens. However, I present the following scenario.
Say I buy the necessary materials to create a normal setting. Say a type of envelope, container, or certain type of album and a catalyst. Now the amount of the catalyst that the coin is exposed to and the method of exposure are very modest and after a period of time the coin acquires an attractive toning.
Is this considered Natural or Artificial toning?
After you answer that question, answer this one.
Would you change your answer based on whether I did this knowingly or unknowingly of the end results?
Did I say I did this all on purpose? Or is this just what happened to be the series of events that lead to said toning?
I guess the point I'm getting at is if you knowingly recreate the circumstances for toning, regardless the method, materials, length of time, or end result... by definition it SHOULD be artificial toning. Right?
Cause the only Natural toning is when it wasn't done on purpose... right?
Something to chew on I think. Granted A blow torch, or a rotten egg is blatant (and ugly) Artificial Toning. But I do think the difference between AT and NT is a very thin yet blurry line that is open to interpretation.
Kinda like "cleaning" a coin with Acetone... Is it technically cleaned or not?
Thoughts?
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10/26/2010 6:39 pm
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Thad
I have some over cleaned Byzantine coppers that I would love to try this product on.
Richard
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