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Amman Cash Coin

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 Posted 09/19/2010  11:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tepritts to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm a Lincoln Cent collector that went to the darkside collecting World coins minted by the US because I can afford them and not pennies (Unless someone wants to sent a 1955 DDO). I purchased a nice 1 Sol 1925 from Peru and received this coin also. Don't know much about it and would like to learn more. History looks interesting for this group of coins.

My coin appears to be zinc. Not the weight feel of lead. The reverse field is totally blank (no dots or stars). I found a similar coin on the web with a line drawing the matched the characters:

No. 213. (Barker: 99.1-99.4)
Obverse: #22025;#38534;#36890;#23542; Gia-long-thong-bao.
Reverse: plain. Three kinds of cash, made of copper, lead, or zinc.

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Any information on history of the coin,price,how to grade, or any information. Thanks -- Terrell
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 Posted 09/20/2010  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Cash coins", round base-metal pieces with a square hole in the centre, were a chinese invention, the basic design being over 2000 years old. Many of China's neighbours and trading partners, such as Japan, Korea, Vietnam and Malaysia, issued coins with similar desing, and often using the same Chinese script found on Chinese cash coins, so it can be hard to tell them apart.

Coins inscribed with these four characters are indeed Vietnamese (Annamese) and date from the period stated on the 2x2: 1802-1820. see this zeno.ru page. The Gia Long king (or emperor) was the founder of the Nguyen Dynasty which ruled Annam/Vietnam until 1945.

Cash coins were cast in sand moulds, not struck between dies, so their grading is problematic for those of us that are used to Western coinage. Legibility of the characters is the key determinant of condition: nice sharp clearly defined characters are optimal. Vietnamese cash coins have the extra problem of an adverse climate: after being dug up, they often sit around in dealer's bowls in the open-air markets for years, picking up a bright green colouration.

"C61.2" and "T213" are catalogue reference numbers, from Craig's world coin catalogue and theirry's coin catalogue of Indochina.
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I use a copy of Schjoth to identify my Chinese cash coins.

Both the author and my book have interesting histories.

Frederick Schjoth was the son of the Norwegian Ambassador to China in the late 19th Century. He was born and grew up in China. When he was 19 years old, his father sent him back to Norway to study for a degree. He went back to China and took over from his father as the Norwegian Ambassador.

The coins shown in his book were from his own collection formed over a 20 year period.

My copy of his book was originally purchased new by the Portland Oregon Coin Club and put into the Municipal Library. Sadly, it was never borrowed out. The borrowing history was on the inside front cover. For me that was good news, because it was in excellent condition.

Back in about the early 1980's, I was buying Chinese cash coins by the bucket load for next to nothing, and I did not really have a clue what I was buying. The only thing that I did know was that I was told to pick up all of those that had plain reverses.

I went to a leading coin dealer in Sydney, who was also an old friend (Jim Noble by name), and asked if he had a good reference on Chinese cash Coins. "No" was his answer, but Schjoth would be a good reference for my purpose. At that stage, Jim had a close association with Spink's in London, he asked them, but they did not have a copy.

Six months later, Jim rang me and asked if I still needed a copy of Schjoth; his associates in London had just received a copy from America. Apparently the Municipal Library in Portland had sold out a job lot of little borrowed books and my copy had found it's way to Spink's in London, probably through a book auction.

Jim said the the price is $14 which I thought was a steal. Needless to say, I bought the book and had lots of fun properly attributing hundreds of Cash Coins, which had on average had originally cost me a lot less than 10 cents each. I have all Dynasties and most Emperors represented in my collection.
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