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1916 Sl Quarter

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http://cgi.ebay.com/1916-STANDING-S...em563d3c94b3

How does this coin quality as Full Head from both PCGS and the green bean? Breen says he never saw one with truly a full head. This one certainly isn't, right?
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 Posted 10/01/2010  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Awesome Wally to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Full Head aside, I fail to see how this grades at MS66
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 Posted 10/01/2010  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KisNap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. I guess the coin must look better in hand.
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Full Head aside, I fail to see how this grades at MS66


Why? The images are scans which make grading difficult. If PCGS and CAC thought the coin made 66 with the coin in hand, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. MS66 seems fair to me.

Feuchtwanger, there are different levels and strengths of full heads and a true one is actually very rare. Compare an MS 1916 to a 1917 and you'll see the difference in strike. A coin doesn't need to have a "true FH" in order to be classified as one.

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 Posted 10/01/2010  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would call it MS-64. If it looks better in hand maybe 65, not 66.
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 Posted 10/02/2010  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add usc96 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe that dealer submits a lot of coins to those graders?
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Maybe that dealer submits a lot of coins to those graders?


I doubt it. PCGS and CAC wouldn't stake their reputation just for a few submitters, and graders don't get to see who sent the coins. The perception that TPG's give higher grades to the bulk submitters is untrue and pretty unfair, given that the people who claim it don't have any evidence to back it up.

Also, the images are scans which can be extremely misleading so I doubt the coin is overgraded in hand.
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10/02/2010 3:49 pm
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Following the link to ebay and clicking on the picture at the bottom of the page will take you to the same coin on the Heritage site. Clicking on the picture there will bring up a very large pic of the coin. This is the picture I based my opinion on. I'm sorry, I like the SLQ, but this one just doesn't 'do it' for me.
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I agree, the coin doesn't "do it" for me either. A high MS grade does not equate with high eye appeal. The spotty toning is just godawful.
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It shows the different opinions people have about toning...because the toning looks really nice to me, definitely bumping up the coin's eye appeal.
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Toning isn't the problem, its that you usually don't get an MS-66 grade with that many marks. Not to mention that the head is NOT full, but their standards may be different for 1916's (actually they seem to be)
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Toning isn't the problem, its that you usually don't get an MS-66 grade with that many marks. Not to mention that the head is NOT full, but their standards may be different for 1916's (actually they seem to be)


It's most likely that the huge images are magnifying the problems, in hand I'd be surprised if the marks in the pictures are noticeable or prominent. 1916's have weak details which make TPG's give the FH designation a lot more leniently.
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I would be too, but usually MS-66's are not permitted to have ANY significant marks in the focal point.
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