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Possible Die Cap Error? Help Needed!

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 Posted 08/19/2006  10:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Treasurekidd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone! I'm a newbie here, and would really appreciate your expert opinions. While coin roll hunting last night, I came across a very odd 2001 penny. The obverse looks like it is missing a good portion of the copper plating around the edges of the penny. On the top of the obverse, over Lincolns head, you can even read the "In God We Trust" motto stamped into the zinc core, although it is not very legible. The reverse of the penny looks normal, except for a very deep rim all the way around, much deeper than any other coin I have ever seen. It is just a little smaller in diameter than a regular penny. Also, note that the features do not appear worn down, but do appear almost flat in some spots, and it also appears that the plating in some on some of the features appears to be gone. Now, I'm no error coin expert, but after reading up on error coins, is seems like a possible early stage obverse die cap. Below are the best pics I could manage with my digital. What to you think, error? Thanks in advance for the opinions!

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 Posted 08/19/2006  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Treasurekidd

Interesting cent,, I was wondering if we could get a bit more info ?

can you get a weight of the coin ?

a picture of the edge of the coin ?

can you tell me what is around the rim on the obverse ?

I have an Idea what your looking at but I would like the other pics and if possible the other info before I post my opinion on just the two views.

Welcome to the forum !!

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 Posted 08/20/2006  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kinda looks like a spooned coin. Not really sure though.
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 Posted 08/20/2006  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike

That is also my opinion ,,it seems someone did not know just how hard spooning zinc was.

I was waiting to see the rim just to confirm my thoughts ,,

Rick
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 Posted 08/20/2006  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is it was tossed around in a dryer fin for some time before falling out.....seen it several times before.

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quote:
Originally posted by morganman

My opinion is it was tossed around in a dryer fin for some time before falling out.....seen it several times before.

MM



Hi Morganman

That is also a good possibility,, but the same effect just a different mechanics.

Good point !!

Rick
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 Posted 08/20/2006  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why does it have such a weird color to it?
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 Posted 08/21/2006  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Treasurekidd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can you get a weight of the coin ?
I don't have a reliable method to weight it.

a picture of the edge of the coin ?
I am going to borrow my freinds digital, it's much better than mine. Will post newer pics in a day or two.

can you tell me what is around the rim on the obverse ?
The grayish black material around the rim is actually the zinc core of the coin. Where the zinc is exposed, it actually looks like an old , worn out 1943 steelie. Above Lincolns head, you can read the "In God We Trust" motto stamped into the zinc.

Laxmaster92:
Why does it have such a weird color to it?

The weird color is where the copper plating has worn off. One of the reasons I believe it may be an error is that the raised features of the coin all appear to be flattened, not worn, but flattened. On the highest of the formerly raised areas, the copper plating is gone, giving it that weird gray color on these spots, which I can only imaging could be caused by extreme pressure, such as having been a die cap in the reverse die. An early stage die cap, having only remained in the reverse die for for the stamping of a few coins, would explain why the features are flattened out, but not worn off, why the rim is so deep around the reverse but not the obverse (on all spooned coins I have ever seen, the rim flattens out almost evenly on both sides of the coin), and why the plating seems to have begun to pull away from the obverse rim. Am I making sense, or just suffering from pipedream syndrome? Thanks again everyone for your input!


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08/21/2006 8:01 pm
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 Posted 08/21/2006  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the explanation. Although, your explanation can be proven it has a burnt look to it. Even if its a die cap error it is very slight. Most errors I've seen have been majorly capped.
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