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Originally posted by ageka
You remember the thread grade an emperor where a profesionnal austrian seller with more the 5500 feedbacks posted a shiny photo ?
Well this is what my scanner did three years ago in one minute
To my chagrin my friend graded it MS62
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Those are NOT direct coin scans, they are scans of PHOTOS of coins. There is a difference.. The shadow gives it away. with a scanner the light is direct as the bulb passes with the scan head, you can see in these that there was a light form a source not direct... MM  Edited by morganman
08/24/2006 2:23 pm
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Originally posted by morganman
Those are NOT direct coin scans, they are scans of PHOTOS of coins. There is a difference..
The shadow gives it away. with a scanner the light is direct as the bulb passes with the scan head, you can see in these that there was a light form a source not direct...
MM
Ok now that makes sense now, I knew I had never seen a scanner take a picture of a coin (with the coin laying on the scanner) that looked like that. Every coin I have seen that has been scanned has no luster and looks flat looking, thats why his pictures threw me off but I can understand if its a scan of a photograph of a coin because I think every scanner can do that. Thanks for clearing that up because I was very confused until you did |
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Originally posted by morganman
quote:
Originally posted by ageka
You remember the thread grade an emperor where a profesionnal austrian seller with more the 5500 feedbacks posted a shiny photo ?
Well this is what my scanner did three years ago in one minute
To my chagrin my friend graded it MS62
Image: 100 FF Nap Laur.jpg
49.87 KB
Those are NOT direct coin scans, they are scans of PHOTOS of coins. There is a difference..
The shadow gives it away. with a scanner the light is direct as the bulb passes with the scan head, you can see in these that there was a light form a source not direct...
MM
Now I am confused All the coins I show with a blue background are owned by me and directly scanned by me by putting the coin on the glass plate of the flatbedscanner The only coins that are a problem are modern non proof business strikes with no contrast whatsoever Attached for instance you see that the lazer light of the scanner ran from the top of the head to the chin throwing a light shadow under the chin A head should never be lighted from below Image: Lady Di K.jpg52.29 KB Edited by ageka
08/24/2006 4:25 pm
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PS the blue violet background is a complementary color to the yellow oranje gold and therefore absorbs all scanner light energy that is not necessary This results in the background going very darkblue to normal blue The reflection differences between the polished fields and the sanded devices give the necessary depth in the picture This scanner loves contrast |
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Those are NOT direct coin scans, they are scans of PHOTOS of coins. There is a difference..
The shadow gives it away. with a scanner the light is direct as the bulb passes with the scan head, you can see in these that there was a light form a source not direct...
Scanners absolutely WILL leave shadows. It depends on the quality of the scanner, the speed of the pass, and the landscape of the coin, especially the rim. Scanners take a sampling of an area from different positions on the bed as the bulb passes (IE just before it, over it and just after it.) Not just from one spot directly overhead. Better scanners and slower passes do it more accurately. Not so good scanners, and fast passes will be not so accurate. (shadows)
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Well fellows I must admit I am a tad bit disappointed here? We have a European friend trying to pass on some knowledge, using equipment in a price range most of us can't afford or won't spend for such an item, and this is how we respond? I happen to know first hand that Ageka is SCANNING and regardless how long it took him to learn "his" art with "his" equipment the fact remains he is making every effort to show it can be done. Asking for advice or the technicals aspects of his superior scans would be more in line than openly discounting his abilities. Needless to say their are scanners and then their are SCANNERS and quite honestly there are numerous items and technology available in Europe (recent news story) that IS NOT EVEN available in the U.S. today. Personally, in my humble opinion, many of you owe Ageka an apology as I am sure he feels just as I do when he read your responses. I consider Ageka a valuable European resource for the forum and feel we all owe each other full respect at all times. I guess I feel there is an effort to "shoot the messenger" here regardless of the news he may be carrying?
I have seen Ageka's scans on other forums and have seen him offer up the same technical advice repeatedly. I have counted on this man when there was no one else in Europe to count on and, being the old fart I am, I still believe a man's word is his bond and I have NEVER, nor will ever, have a reason to doubt Ageka concerning anything. I have a bunch of friends on this forum who are in the same catagory so I am asking everyone to please think before you respond because, just in my lifetime, I have seen untold things that were impossible to do yet they have been done so much they are now not even worthy of discussion!
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08/24/2006 9:20 pm
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It is a secondhand Vuego about 8 years old and it is a scanner that was made to convert color photos into digital photos
On 99% of the coins it is first class as long as there is contrast enough to see
My friend bought one like that three years ago second hand ( new price was like 2500 dollars ) and no it is max 300 dpi
I have been told it was sold as Vuego 310P and later as Acer
I think the last 2 posts are directed at me, I did not mean it to come across as calling him a liar. I was looking at his own words when I said that about the photos being scanned. "made to convert color photos into digital photos" is what I saw. Sorry if I offended anyone. MM  Edited by morganman
08/24/2006 7:25 pm
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I never attacked Ageka or said he was telling a story, I just made the fact known that I have never seen a scanned coin look like that, and when it was said that it was a scan of a photograph then I said it made since then because I have seen scans of photographs look like that. then when ageka said it was a direct scan then I believe him and I still stand behind my past statement that I have NEVER seen a scanned picture that looked like that, they always looked flat and with just about no luster at all, so I dont see where I really need to apologize to him but if I said something that would make him feel like I was calling him a lier or something then I do apologize because that was not what I was saying in my post
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Edited by Joeyuk
08/24/2006 8:33 pm
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I appreciate you fellows posting an explanation concerning your posts. Having dealt with collectors all over the world the last few years I have found there can be misunderstandings very quickly especially when dealing with a language other than your own. I just wanted to protect every ones feelings as I know all of you guys/gals are a great bunch of people and have nothing but good intentions. Personally I have a tough time putting some of my questions and answers, in my mind, into type and often offend with out the slighest intention of doing so. It has lead to some rather embarrassing moments so I try very hard to make sure I get a real clear idea of what I am asking or trying to explain, just as I am now, and it can be difficult to put to words. Thank you for taking the time to reply and I do hope no one, and I do mean NO ONE, will take offense to us watching over one another as real friends. We got a great forum here and it is full of more POSITIVES than I have ever seen in any online forum so my thanks go out to everyone, all over the world, for being here!
In ending I would say many of you make me envious as to your abilities to photograph coins, regardless of methods used, and I find myself still trying to master that which so many of you make look easy!
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I will try some dark Blue to asee if that helps on My scanner, Now is that color only complimentary to the gold and or bronze ,copper coins or can it work for Silver or Nickel etc... Thanks ageka for your feed back .. thos are awsome scans
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As time goes I was sleeping being on greenwhich plus one timezone
There are several levels of jumping to conclusions
1)On my part the Fuego 310P was made to scan color photos and acquired second hand . The active window in color mode is only like 4 by 8 inches
So I have to prescan and position the acitve window over the coin and then I downsize the active window to the size of the coin. Then I scan and set brightness and contrast and rescan . A scan on an active window of say 2 by 2 inch of a large coin will take 30 seconds
So I suppose you could call it a slow scan for a 300 dpi
If the scanner is not satisfied it will announce it is selfcalibrating internally . The most perfect scans gives a nearly black background and of course without photoshop you will not see a shadow on a nearly black background .
I jumped to the conclusion all scanners could do this since
nobody ever told me this kind of scanning is outside the capability of modern scanners; I know that on 98% of the pics I see my scan is better then a photo ( Bobby excepted because he is an expert )
2)The person writing
Those are NOT direct coin scans, they are scans of PHOTOS of coins. There is a difference..
The shadow gives it away. with a scanner the light is direct as the bulb passes with the scan head, you can see in these that there was a light form a source not direct...
Well this person made two wrong presumptions
First that there is no shadow ; but there is a shadow hidden in the dark
Second that the scanner uses a bulb like tecnology ; the scanner uses a 10 inch long and one tenth of an inch wide light bar that crawls over the coin and by the nature of the construction cannot be termed a direct lighsource therefore it gives the impression of being very diffuse
Since the length and width make it difuse in nature
3) When then somebody said the wrong explanation clarified everything I felt kind of bad
Thank you all for being so supportive
Like most things misunderstandings are easy and the internet does not allow quick questions and answers
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Originally posted by scoutjim99
I will try some dark Blue to asee if that helps on My scanner, Now is that color only complimentary to the gold and or bronze ,copper coins or can it work for Silver or Nickel etc... Thanks ageka for your feed back .. thos are awsome scans
According to color theory white and black are NOT colors but states of purety and as such cannot have a complementary color since they are not a color but a purety white to ultimate dirty black I have no experience scanning silver ( which is greyish) but according to theory a black background would be best for scanning and a black or translucent white would be best for showing afterwards By lack of darkblue velours I use cardboard but I know that some velours would even be better |
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