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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
G'day, Australia's pre-decimal era only spans a half-century from 1910 to 1964, and I think it would be straightforward to put together a type-set. Definitions of what constitutes a "type" might generate some debate, of course.
I'll put something up, in the hope of generating some discussion.
Denominations:
halfpenny
penny
threepence
sixpence
shilling
florin
crown (1937 & '38 only)
Obverses:
KE7 (one-year only, 1910)
KG5 (1911~36)
KG6, first legend, with "IND:IMP:"
KG6, second legend, without "IND:IMP:"
QE2, first legend, without "F:D:"
QE2, second legend, with "F:D:"
Reverses:
the KE7 and KG5 silver coins all had the same style of reverse, with a Coat of Arms.
KG6 silver adopted new designs, except for the sixpence, and those designs persisted throught the QE2 era, until the end of pre-decimals.
Commemoratives:
florins of 1927, 1951, and 1954
(I don't count the Melbourne florin, because it wasn't released into circulation).
I don't see the change from 92.5% to 50% silver as significant, but if you had the commemoratives, that'd be covered anyway.
There were two halfpennies in 1938: the old CofA reverse, and the kangaroo. I know that the old one was the same as the KG5 halfpenny, but it's the only coin with an old reverse and a new obverse. I'd have one in because it is unusual in that sense.
So, to show all of the salient features, you'd need:
one crown;
plus two of each of the other six denominations, to show the older and newer reverses, and in so doing, cover each of the six obverses;
plus three commemoratives;
total, 16 coins.
Any advances ?
Peter
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
When I was a teenager, I was fortunate to have a consistent job, working for my father. He allowed to save all that he paid me, so over a period of about 5 years, I built an Australian pre decimal type set, where each type was represented by the rarest date for the type, except the 1930 penny, that was represented with a 1925. Condition ranged from good VF to maybe MS63.
I also built an Australian gold type set, but not having particular reference to the rarest date for the type. Nevertheless, the gold set did include an Adelaide Pound, which I purchased with money received for my 21st birthday, and all the types were products of the Sydney Mint (with the exception of the Adelaide Pound).
That set, along with some nice ancients, became the down payment for my first house.
I still have a detailed record of the sale.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1295 Posts |
Why wouldn't you count the Melbourne florin? Many thousands were handed out to customers with purchases by the department store Foy and Gibson and most of those were actually spent. There are many, many circulated Centennial florins about the place.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1295 Posts |
What about the Denver and SF minted silver? The Indian minted copper of the 40's? The PL coins of 1951? I'd consider all those worthy of inclusion in a type set. The Indian copper of the 40's and the 1951PL coins are quite distinctive in not only their mint marks, but denticle design, and reverse design too.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
The type set that I assembled did in fact include a very top grade Melbourne Centenary Florin, which was in the Foy's bag. As I understood it at the time, a type set included one of each main design, and so the George V1 Florin for instance, was represented by a 1939, because that was the scarcest date for the type.
Nevertheless some coins were represented by examples that were a lot less than choice uncirculated, but coins less good VF did not sit well in the set.
The 1932 Florin was in the lowest condition, at good VF.
There is no way that I could afford to built such a set now; besides at the time I sold this set, my interest in ancients was stronger.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1295 Posts |
Must have been a special sight to behold! Congrats on putting together such a set, perhaps you'll be able to built another in the future.
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Moderator
 Australia
16830 Posts |
I wouldn't classify mintmarks as separate "types", even where the interpretation of the design is distinctive, such as for the Indian 'roo coppers. For me, a difference in "type" has to have a difference in design or inscription; this more or less follows the allocation of type numbers in the Krause catalogue. I would consider a circulating predecimal type set to contain thus:
Edward VII: 4 types (3d, 6d, 1/- and 2/-)
George V: 7 types (1/2d, 1d, 3d, 6d, 1/- and 2/-, plus the Canberra florin)
George VI: 15 types (IND IMP 1/2d old, 1/2d new, 1d, 3d, 6d, 1/-, 2/- and 5/-, no IND IMP 1/2d, 1d, 3d, 6d, 1/- and 2/- plus the Jubilee florin)
Elizabeth II: 13 types (faithless 1/2d, 1d, 3d, 6d, 1/- and 2/-, faithful 1/2d, 1d, 3d, 6d, 1/- and 2/- plus the Royal Visit florin)
Total types: 39. Given that the "complete" predecimal set would only differ from the "circulating" set by the addition of the Melbourne florin, I don't see any major dramas whether you include or exclude it.
I would feel justified in excluding the gold coins, since they were really Imperial issues rather than distinctively Australian coins; sovereigns circulated throughout the Empire and most of the ones struck in the Australian mints post-Federation seem to have been shipped straight from here to the vaults in London and didn't "circulate" anywhere at all.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Sap: The bronze and silver types were exactly as you describe.
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