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401-K Taxed ?

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 Posted 11/23/2010  12:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coggie59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Wars and rumors of wars. Has anyone heard any thing about a proposed tax on the deferred portion of your 401-k plan ? I don't think it is probable but it is possible. Something has to pay for the Billions (I still cant wrap my head around those figure) of deficit spending

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you mean trillions, cog.

doesn't matter, no amount of taxation could actually pay our debts back. there's only one option: shrink it. which means you're going to lose value in your savings no matter what.
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The govt has for years discussed a one-shot tax on your 401k at retirment; Hilary Clinton was an advocate for this.
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There is absolutely nothing in the legislative pipeline at the moment. IMO, a tax on any plan balance is never going to happen. The more likely scenario is increased tax rates in the future which would affect 401(k) withdrawals, not the balance. The impact of increased future tax rates on each individual will depend on the structure of rates at that time, when withdrawals commence and the level of withdrawals. Often times the media refers to potential future tax hikes as "shrinking your 401(k) balance," which is another way of referring to erosion of after-tax purchasing power. Keep funding your 401(k) to max employer contributions. Then tax diversify with a Roth and capital investments to cover all bases. PMs are part of that last category for those so inclined. Hang in there. The dollar ride should be interesting the next few years.
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With today's political climate I'm sure a bill like that would have the proverbial "snowballs chance" in passing, But then again it wouldn't surprise me if Reed and Pelosi tried to push it through in a lame duck last ditch effort.
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I was shocked when I moved to PA that the 401K contribution was taxed by state and local government.
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It was briefly discussed earlier this year by congress. The proposal would have been a "one time" 10% tax on the total balance of all 401K and IRA accounts. So if you had $150K the Government was gonna skim 15 large right off the top. I think they balked on that idea. The thinking was that they would be ousted in the November elections if they did.
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The government is actually getting a nice windfall this year due to the Roth IRA conversion rule. Regardless of AGI, this year, you can convert a 401k over to a Roth IRA. Many rich folks are taking advantage of this which results in a fairly big windfall for the feds since the whole converted balance is taxable (but won't be taxed again since it is moving into a Roth)
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As for a one time tax, I think those rumors are mostly FUD. You are, however, required to start pulling out money at age 72. Each year thereafter, the mandatory withdrawal levels increase. Hence, even if you live forever, the feds eventually get the tax. The main benefit of a 401k, in addition to the common employer contribution, is the fact the balance grows tax deferred. Also, less publicized, if you lose a job before retirement and have a good sized balance you can use a rule called 72(t) to make withdrawals without penalty. The catch is you have to withdraw substantially equally amounts for many years and of course you may owe regular taxes (which could be ZERO if you have no job income and some deductions).
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