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1959 (Yes, 1959, Not 1859!) Canada Cent Pointed 5

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 Posted 11/27/2010  12:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Our CCF friend Dottir said something on another post which made me check some of my stash of 1959 cents for a pointed versus blunt 5 variety. I had never heard of this variety (however minor) before.

Let's start a collaborative effort to get to the bottom of this!

I think this may be a pointed 5:

1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

The upper right tail of the 5 is much more vertical on most others I saw. Would some of you variety experts agree that this is the pointed 5?

Here's what I'd call a blunt 5.

1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

As an aside, I noticed (only after the picture-taking) some neat doubling on the second '9' of one of my other 1959 cents (blunt 5 I suspect).

1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

Sorry for my poor pictures, but you can probably see what I mean in each case.

Thanks for checking out this variety, and for any input you have.
Edited by bibd
11/27/2010 12:21 am
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 Posted 11/27/2010  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoCentsWorth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
would be cool if there is a '59 pointed and blunt. But as the 65 goes, you'd have two blunts there. Nonetheless, I hope I'm wrong
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 Posted 11/27/2010  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malibu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got three '59's, the first is pointed and the other two are blunt I believe. Three pics using my QX-5 with an alignment line added:


1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5


Next three pics: same coins in same order, using my digicam on super macro, hi-res, cropped:



1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

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 Posted 11/27/2010  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah malibu these look like mine too (but your pointed 59 is much nicer!) Thanks for the detailed pics.
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 Posted 11/27/2010  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just when you think you are catching up, got to go find my pile of 59's
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 Posted 03/22/2011  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On this coin we have to look for the pointed 5 and for a hanging 9 is there anything else to look for?
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 Posted 03/22/2011  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thatcanuckyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what I have. The 1st pic is what I consider blunt. Pic 2, 3 and 4 are what seem to be more on the point side...
I have thought of this before when looking at dates but when referencing the books/catalogs I found nothing so figure it is common enough not to print? These are date enlargements from 7 1959 cents I scanned in bulk.



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1959-Yes,-1959,-Not-1859!-Canada-Cent-Pointed-5

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 Posted 03/22/2011  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with what you have in the pics, but is there anything to do with the 9 ?
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 Posted 03/22/2011  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thatcanuckyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In bibd's photo there is doubling going on with that 9 for sure. Though it is hard to tell it seems malibu has some double 9's as well. We will need better angle lighting images.
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 Posted 03/24/2011  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, I just spotted this thread now! It's good to see this came up for discussion as I've been curious to find out more too. I'm glad to see some folks have posted blunt and pointed looking 5's for this year. I'll have to look around for any 1959's I have too to see what I've got on hand.

I'm even thinking it's a good idea to check and compare any of the years with 5's in them, just out of curiosity
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 Posted 03/30/2011  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess this variety (much like the 1975 pointed 5) sort of verges on "minute details". But if we're otherwise done our small cent date set, we need something to keep us busy! Some of us roll-hunt with a magnet, others get out the microscope.
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 Posted 03/30/2011  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry folks IMO in all the pictures posted here? They are Blunt! Too be blunt as a catchphrase!
---I had this same illusion with the 1965 varieties and had allot of denial.
---There is a certain degree of variance in the angle of the point with the dies and some that are worn (get flattened) play even more with your mind and eye's!
---Even so when you see a pointed, there is little doubt, side by side! Once you have seen a few!
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 Posted 03/30/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
commoncents13: I realize that the 1965 blunts look pointed somewhat. But this is a different date! Are you sure that the 1959 pointed is the same amount pointed? For instance, the 1975 blunt versus pointed 5 is very minor. The 1985 pointed is not as pointed as the 1965 either.

If you're saying these 1959 "varieties" all came from the same dies (with different amounts of wear), that's possibly true. I won't disagree there. (Although many Canadian "doubling" varieties are just from die wear.) Anyway, by your last line it almost sounds as if you've seen a much more pointed 1959. If so, post a pic, please!
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 Posted 03/30/2011  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thatcanuckyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Anyway, by your last line it almost sounds as if you've seen a much more pointed 1959. If so, post a pic, please!
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I'm personally just seeing a variation here as well. Using the 65 as an example again, there are variations to that blunt angle depending on wear on the coin and wear on the die. The pointed five is radiacally different and easy to see.

To categorize the 59's as "blunt" or "pointed" with this minute variation and no other diagnostic markers is honestly (in my opinion) a waste of effort since everything I've see so far indicates they are not different in any reasonably marked way.

Don't take my comments as personal, they are not. It means more that I personally would not be going to open a bankers box of 59 and go through them for something I don't recognize as existing at this point.
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 Posted 03/30/2011  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks-bibd- To your response.
---No! I did not imply that I have seen a pointed 5 in 1959 and IMO not here either or that I have one!
---I'm simply going by the accepted standard expected for a pointed (5).
---That's my opinion and you are welcome to get others!
---We have to go with what we got to go by and to claim a new variety you have to have collaboration way higher than me!
---We are all giving opinions! and sharing what we know, some cases think?
---You eat a lot of popcorn T/C guy (it's not good for you)
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