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Bedrock of the Community
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I am not terribly keen on the stylised portrait, ponytail OK!
A closer look suggests to me is that may not be a die crack, but it still seems to be some sort of die damage. It may well end up being a significant variety.
Edited by sel_69l 12/02/2010 11:29 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 that's an interesting place for a die crack. I'd like to see the reverse as well, because I wonder if a die clash was involved.
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Actually it's a quiet interesting story, because the amazing thing is... that I have 2 of the exact same coins with the exacts ame error! I bought them from a guy on a Dutch coin forum, they both came out of a so called Dutch Euro Starterskit... back from 2001 when every household got one starterskit for free. This guy worked at a place that distributed these sets, and in those days he brought a entire box home with him with a 80 sets! They all have serial numbers on the boxes, and when he opened it and took a set out he saw the die error.  After a while when he wanted to sell some of the sets, he saw that another one had the same error... and the next one also! And so fort... He doesn't know how much he has all together with the same error, but he guesses a handfull of them have the same thing. Could be a variouty of reasons why the ponytail is there, but it has deffinetly happend during the minting process. Probably the stamp had some kind of problem, and they didn't see it.. And as far as variety's I think that would be a really really small chance! This has been discussed at the Dutch forum, and the concensus is that it has to be an "error". You can't see it really good on the picture, but it's clear enough I guess... oh and the other side is totally normal:  
Edited by Kingz 12/03/2010 3:39 pm
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United States
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I, for one, deem the pony tail an improvement!
-SCS
(Awesome find!)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's pretty cool! Interesting place for a die crack.
I wouldn't mind finding one of those.
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I bought them for 2 times face value, so couldn't leave them for that money :) I found several die cracks that drasticly ímproves the portraits of our overlords  Found a nice Belgium recently were Albert has a triple double chin 
Edited by Kingz 12/15/2010 7:57 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: ... a triple double chin If my fingers count right that makes 6 chins. Are you sure it's Albert, not Jabba the Hutt? Seriously, though, I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of that!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This coin is very interesting, and it got me to consider the possibility of a die clash. A die clash happens when the obverse and reverse dies strike without a coin planchet, transferring some design details to the opposing die. To test that theory, I've created an animation which simulates where the design of both dies might overlap in a clash. Interestingly, the mark at the back of Queen Beatrix's head coincides with the outline of Germany.(The map is reversed because that's how it would appear transferred to the obverse die). 
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I have several other ones I mentioned.... Oke Svslav, maybe it's not a triple doubble chin  BUT a huge Crack for sure   Also 3 other die cracks on Bea's head/hat  [1999]  [2000]  [2001]  I told you guys those Monarchs are ShapeShifters, but maybe you need those special glasses    SEE......  p.s. I don't know how to quote, but I do it like this: [QUOTE} This coin is very interesting, and it got me to consider the possibility of a die clash. A die clash happens when the obverse and reverse dies strike without a coin planchet, transferring some design details to the opposing die. To test that theory, I've created an animation which simulates where the design of both dies might overlap in a clash. Interestingly, the mark at the back of Queen Beatrix's head coincides with the outline of Germany.(The map is reversed because that's how it would appear transferred to the obverse die).[QUOTE] Now that is very interesting indeed, thanks for the input!. Any idea how this can happen then.. I mean is the planchet thicker or thinner or is the stamp dirty on the german borders... I will suggest your theory at the Dutch Forum if you son't mind, maybe you can post that animation..? 
Edited by Kingz 12/20/2010 12:50 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Those are great--King Albert II has a goatee 
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United States
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Very cool coins! Thanks for sharing! Interesting on the possibility of a die clash. I would think that if it were a clash, more of the design would have transferred to the obverse and not just in that one spot. But, stranger things have happened. I wonder if a strong enough clash would have just chipped the die there. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: I would think that if it were a clash, more of the design would have transferred to the obverse and not just in that one spot. But, stranger things have happened. Yeah...we all know what a typical Lincoln memorial clash looks like. In this case, it was a hunch because it doesn't look like the usual die crack to my eyes. I would think the position of a clash depends on die radius and the alignment of both dies. Course, someone who really knows a lot like Mike Diamond might have a better idea. 
Edited by DVCollector 12/20/2010 3:51 pm
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