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DSLR Macro Lens Opinions Please

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This may not be a realistic question however it never hurts to ask? I have narrowed down my search to 3 lens. all 3 fit into my price range - that shouldn't affect your opinion. All have general rave reviews. Now I need to hear from those who have experience with these lens - hopefully someone has experience with all 3 !

I am using a coin dedicated Canon 40D tethered to my computer. After experimenting with 5 different lenses, I am getting the best results from a tube extended Nikor 35-70mm adapted to fit my Canon. I manually focus and then use the crank on my copy stand to fine tune the resolution.

I want a lens that a penny will fill the frame without using extension tubes I also want a lens that I can control from the computer.

These are my Macro 3 choices: Which one would you pick and why?

1. Canon Telephoto EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro Autofocus Lens B&H @ $519 (chose because it is Canon but I think it I wont have room for lighting) Link http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...A=details&Q=

2. Sigma Telephoto 150mm f/2.8 EX APO Macro EX DG HSM Autofocus Lens for Canon EOS B&H @ 729 (you get what you pay for?) Link http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._EX_APO.html

3. Tamron Telephoto SP AF 180mm f/3.5 Di LD IF Macro Autofocus Lens for Canon EOS B&H @ $639 (have to send in rebate - I will need to build a new bigger sturdier copy stand - this one will allow the most room for lighting flexibility) Link http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...tofocus.html


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I downsized this from the original 2100px to post here. Canon 450D with Canon 100mm Macro. Any questions?

I have no experience with competing macro lenses. I need none. This lens has no better, in my humble opinion. I shoot using Canon's Zoom Browser software, tethered to the computer. Everything is done from the keyboard, and the lens autofocuses nicely with raw coins. Only with slabbed coins do I have to resort to manual focus, and even then only occasionally.

With any longer lens, you will run into difficulty getting the camera far away enough from the coin to keep it in the frame. The 100mm requires a minimum of about 15" relief to keep a Morgan dollar in the frame.

100% crop, pushing the minimum distance a little:

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It almost renders a microscope unnecessary.

I am, therefore, unqualified to answer your question, as I will never have experience with a competing Macro lens.
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 Posted 12/09/2010  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Dave, great close-ups!
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With all I've just said, it bears mentioning that the Tamron is a formidable lens, capable of stunning results. The Sigma is no slouch, but if you're gonna go over the top, go all the way.

I believe the Canon still outshines it. The Tamron's minimum focal length is 18.5 inches; I do not know how this plays in the real world, except that there will be cases where the coin needs to be on the floor. The Canon's similar spec is 12", and I cheerfully push that limit in my daily shooting.

You own a Canon, EEW. Buy the Canon. The L model is no better optically; its' advantage is IS, which is irrelevant in this arena.
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 Posted 12/10/2010  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Use a 90MM Tamron on a Canon Rebel and am extremely happy with it. I focus manually but use the canon Software to computer. It is great.
But Dave, I am not sure where you get the 18,5" min focal from?
I get as close as approx. 12"
lens is absolutely sufficient for any coin images.
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Wow, great detail!
The DSLR companies spend the most $ on R&D for optics--and have a slight advantage.
The main advantage with second-tier lens companies is a decent gear for a $ savings.
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But Dave, I am not sure where you get the 18,5" min focal from?


Straight from Tamron's site. Your 90mm has a minimum focus distance of 11.4" Generally, there's a relationship like that - the longer the lens, the longer the minimum focus distance.
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 Posted 12/10/2010  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EyeEatWheaties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well! OK Dave! hahaha That shot of the Lincoln is just perfect! As a Lincoln lover, I'd get that coin sealed up though - looks like it is going brown, albeit a very attractive brassy type of golden brown. Presuming that shot is of a raw coin? OK enough drooling over your penny.

Would you mind? Could you post all the camera specs (shutter, aperture, ISO) plus a picture of your lighting set up at the angles/positions to get that shot? You captured luster with out sacrificing any detail. Perfectly consistent outline/contrast of the bust. Your lighting angle/intensity was perfected for that shot.

Do you find yourself moving lights around often when certain pennies just won't light up the same as that 1910? You are right, it doesn't get any better than that! Ok I am convinced that the Canon 100mm will improve my photos to a level I will be happy with, especially since both of our cameras have the same sensor (22.2 x 14.8)and relatively the same image size (mine=3888 x 2592 vs 4272 x 2848=yours).

Ok for side by side study, the 1911 is raw, the 1910 is yours, the 1909 is slabbed - the first pic captures the luster, the second one looks lit from a similar angle as your image.. I resized these images to be the same size.
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One difference I noticed was Pixel Density





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I don't want to go off topic in this thread, however I am adding this note and link as a reminder for further photography discussion and study. Pixel Density http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key...el%20density
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That one's no longer in my collection; it came back MS65RB from PCGS and I liquidated it because I was expecting a 66.

Here's an older pic of my lighting setup, with my (previous) 350D:

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It's a 4ft section of track lighting with gooseneck fixtures; I have 3 lights (50w MR16 halogens) but generally only use two. It's wired with a dimmer inline, but I rarely use that. The gooseneck table lamp is only used to side-light die cracks and the like.

The setup you see is the distance I had to keep an 8MP 350D from a Morgan to get the whole coin into the frame. Just imagine how far a 180mm lens would have forced me to place the camera.

The Lincoln shot was ISO 100, 1/125@f/12 with lights at 10:00 and 2:00 to the obverse as you see it. I was never happy with IGWT, even with 3 lights; they just made it all the harder to avoid washouts so I settled on 2 lights and a slightly dark motto.

And, yes, I move the lights all over the place, coin by coin. 10 and 2 is always my starting point, but I vary the angle depending on luster - the greater the luster, the closer I'm likely to make the lighting as close to vertical above the coin as I can. There are also cases where I use all 3 lights, or just one.

The 100mm Macro is super-sweet between f/8 and f/13; I tend to leave it in that range and let the aperture dictate the rest of the settings. I have more than enough lighting to keep the rest of the parameters within reasonable limits.
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 Posted 12/10/2010  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
these friggggging goosenecks are hard, nearly impossible to get....
Super Dave, what is your WB setting with these..? Most certainly NOT auto...
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Super Dave, what is your WB setting with these..? Most certainly NOT auto...


I always do a Custom white balance setting. These days I have a copystand with an 18% gray base; since my lighting changes so frequently, I do a new Custom setting with every change.

Then, I fix it in the Gimp.
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All seriousness aside, my 450D prefers a Custom setting against pure white more than grey; even with 100w of Halogen light and a 40mm FOV, the light across the white balance test shot varies on 18% grey because my halogens are pretty tightly focused, being Spots rather than Floods. A few layers of printer paper presents a much more homogeneous backdrop.
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 Posted 12/11/2010  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stunet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stunning shots SuperDave!
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Stunning shots SuperDave!


Thank you, but I can't say that I've had my work published. You, however, are The Man.

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I've documented my setup at
http://www.timcorio.com/photographingcoins.php .

Make sure to follow the links to Macro Photography and Micro Photography.

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I would go for the Canon. I have everything Canon and I love them.
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