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Overton Variety Of 1825 Half Dollar

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 Posted 12/15/2010  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not know how to explain it, as it is counter-intuitive to me, but the later the die state, the flatter both the 8 & 9 tend to be on the bottoms....Could be coincidental based on the examples that I have seen, but this one seems to follow the pattern.....(At any rate, your initial attribution is correct.... It most definitely is 102).....While I realize that the rest of the world attributes by means of dates and T/I relationships....I do not, as I have my own smoking guns--- based on obv star point relationships (to each other) and rev letter relationships (to each other)....For me, attribution takes approximately two or three seconds per side....just long enough for my memory to jump start....If the obv is unshared, then the rev is unnecessary, (and visa versa).



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 Posted 12/15/2010  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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O-102 had been my tentative attribution as well but in the Overton book it appeared that the 8 in the date was a block 8 while the 8 on the coin was a fancy 8.


That's why Heritage is as integral a part of my attribution process as is Overton. The book provides pickups; Heritage provides high-res images so I can compare other details.

Especially the letter relationships zeewool mentions. In the absence of a smoking gun, these are normally varied enough - and obvious enough on all but the most-worn coins - to cement an attribution. Of course, Heritage results much be taken with a grain of salt due to the chance of misattribution. I give greater weight to ANACS attributions, and sometimes look at 8 or 10 different auctions to make sure the attribution is common enough to believe it.

I really, really like that star-point relationship thing, zeewool. You've just added another weapon to my arsenal.
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Right you are Dave....Here is a picture from a recent request for attribution thread where only an obv photo is supplied....This one was easy because the obv is not shared with any other variety.....In a case where only one side is visible, we can rely not only on star points, but but date relationships to the bust, and to each other....to some folks, it may not appear that the lowest numeral is the 2.....(but it is)........when the obv is shared, then die wear becomes the deciding factor....as you imply though, if the coin is worn, it is perfectly acceptable to me to throw my hands up in a fit of rage, and scream for a rev photo.



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 Posted 12/15/2010  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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as you imply though, if the coin is worn, it is perfectly acceptable to me to throw my hands up in a fit of rage, and scream for a rev photo.




With denticles present, the inner/outer star point relationships are well-defined and at worst capable of narrowing the process down to 2 or 3. Star 7 and the T-I are my primary starting points. Star 13 is the next tier, but that's generally the first place the denticles disappear.

I'm liking your thinking with date placement. Often it'll be the only reliable way to truly narrow down the obverse, since Star 7 - hairline can be pretty common.

In the real world, though, the reverse is my primary target and the obverse usually plays the role of "confirmation."
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