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SPAMMER
China
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I notice the price of copper has been rising a lot in recent years. I'm wondering if copper cents in circulation are now worth more for their metal content than their face value. How much is a copper cent really worth now in melt value? As the price gets higher, do you think people going to start hoarding copper cents like they hoarded silver coins back in the 1960's?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
current melt value of a pre-82 cent is 2.7 cents.And yes there are people hoarding as we speak.There are a few threads on here debating the wisdom of hoarding copper cents...join in !
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Valued Member
United States
123 Posts |
Clear a spot in the dry basement and keep them for the long haul. Just today on MSNBC they were talking about all the copper cents that are still in circulation.Copper prices are going up big time and if you have the space and the patience it's worth the keep by the pound.
And also......think about all the up and coming collectors that will have nothing but zincolns to collect.
Edited by Numisnut 12/11/2010 06:51 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4989 Posts |
As previously discussed, it is a good idea to pull these out of circulation and resell them immediately by the pound on ebay. Quick 50% profit margin (people pay about 1.50 per 1.00 face value) Hording makes little sense since it takes up a ton of space and all you are doing is sacrificing your square footage to speculate on copper futures; something that can be done MUCH more easily by opening a brokerage account and much more compactly, for metals, by buying gold or silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
958 Posts |
yes def sort and sell as fast as you can
The hoarder negative aspect ------ if someone hoards $5,000 in copper cents and it takes them 10-20 years to lift the ban even if they get 3-4cents each for scrap copper that $10,000 profit%15,000 If the ban gets lifted, it may never ----------------- BUT A GUY SORTING AND SELLING can make more+++++++ A guy that sorts $5,000 in copper per year and sells them for 1.5 cents each will gross $7500 thats net $2,500 PROFIT TODAY NOT IN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD If he can keep doing this for 5 years he has made $12,500 profit 10 years $25,000 profit (if copper stays high in price and people keep buying)
while the guy sitting on his hoard of $5,000 will have $5,000 invested sitting waiting 5,10,20 years maybe the copper value goes up maybe it goes down? if copper levels off in 10-20 years at $2-3 a lb no one knows if people will want that hoard at more then 2-3 cents a coin.
While the reseller has sold 100$ lots over and over and made $12,500 in 5 years With cash flow comming in every week he does not have to spend $5k to hoard at one time. But can start out with as little as 100$ worth of cents at a time and sell one bag a week on ebay( 52 weeks a year ) making his first $2,500 in one year using the earned cash to buy machines more copper and speed up production as long as people are buying he might even get to sorting and selling $10,000 a year in copper cents making 5k a year profit
It makes sense to buy and sell buy and sell. Untill the copper supply is so low its hard to do it any more. Even then a hoarder will die and the copper pennies will be brought to a dealer that offers 1cent each and back to circulation they go to be sorted and sold
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Valued Member
United States
171 Posts |
I scrap metal on the side and find that snipping copper out of appliances (circuits, plug-in cords) adds up fairly quick, in addition to the larger pieces of tubing I have been going through old piles of pennies and seperating them until I can decide what to do with my pre-1982's. I have been reading up on the copper pennies for a few months now and there are so many differing opinions out there.
Glad to discover this forum and this topic particularly!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
Agree with Numisnut....wheat cents are bringing about 3 cents a piece, I look for pre-zincolns to do the same if not more.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1348 Posts |
If I use coppertop's theory I would make more for sure. On the other hand if I pull $5000 out a the first year, does someone really think I will pull out $5000 another year, and the next, etc. I say in the next 10 years it will be just as hard to find a franklin in half searching as it will be finding a wheaty in penny searching
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Valued Member
United States
212 Posts |
Find them. Keep them. Ya just never know. Some will say "Oh, well it's illegal to melt cents." Big deal. Laws change. And this one probably will also. Get excited. Have a little fun.
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New Member
Canada
24 Posts |
Hey, I realize it is illegal to melt US coins in the US or to export them and it is illegal to melt Canadian coins in Canada but I don't think there is any law about exporting them. Do you think it makes sense to hoard pre 1980 Canadian (98% copper) and 1980 - 1996 Canadian (95% copper) and take a trip to a scrap yard in the United States to sell?
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Valued Member
United States
228 Posts |
In my view,hoarding 82 and older copper cents is the biggest, safest, no-brainer overlay, I have ever encountered. You find something worth 2.8 cents about 18-20% of the time. (in some parts of the country the % is much higher). While you are searching for the coppers, you also find wheat cents,(sold by most dealers @ 5-7 cent apiece, and purchased by them - at 2-3 cents apiece). You can also find MS BU Red coins (worth far more than face value now, and who knows what in the future)... There is also the one year 2009 type set, with 8 varieties, all locatable, and at least for the time being often in mint state. Finally you have the first year of newest cent, and (certain in my mind to be the last variety) Blazing examples of the shield cent are everywhere in MS 64+ and I have found four that I believe are full MS66  Wheat cents, copper memorials, zinc memorials, 2009 one year type set, first year of the last Lincoln Cent series - and I hear it is even possible to find Indians out there!  And there is even the chance of finding errors, double dates, WAMS & CAMS, double dates, small dates - good grief!  What's not to like? Finally, the cent itself is soon to disappear. Governments everywhere are broke or getting there... it will not be long until the United States does away with the cent as many other governments have done (New Zealand, Australia, all ready - and Canada soon). Once the cent is gone, the ban against melting will soon follow. Like the silver coinage during the late sixties, the copper Lincoln Cent will RAPIDLY disappear from circulation - once people get the idea to save them. I truly hope they are slow in figuring it out
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Valued Member
United States
310 Posts |
The way things are going, Nickels are looking like a good hold too lol.
Nickel was up nearly 28 cents a lb today. If I was in canada I'd be looking pre 82 nickels, and pre 97 pennies.
I may even keep my US nickels if things keep going the way they do.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3184 Posts |
I know some dive into copper hoarding by getting thousands and thousands of copper pennies. I have no doubt that copper pennies will be worth much more in the future. I'm sure people were thinking those that were hoarding pre 64 silver coins in 1965 as crazy but look at how they are worth 23x fv right now!
What I do is anytime I get change, I go through and take out the copper pennies and put them into a ziplock. I started do it after 6 months ago and have maybe 500+ pennies. hey its a slow process but not taking much of my time or money. I will keep doing this, not in any rush.
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Valued Member
Canada
442 Posts |
www.(124) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed .com will tell you melt values of each year.
Check out copper hoarding on youtube. Some people have crazy collections!
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New Member
United States
12 Posts |
I sort for copper pennies and I have been consitantly selling them for 1.5 times face. Definitly worth it but its time consuming
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
5150's explanation makes a lot of sense, with one little drawback. There are major players that have contacts with places like Brink's and Coinstar, who will cheerfully sell them cents by weight rather than spend time wrapping. High-speed separators are $500, and I'll bet a lot less if you buy 100 at a crack.
Once they join the game, the overall ratio of coins to slugs will drop REAL fast.
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