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Need Help Grading This 1913 $2 1/2 Indian

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 Posted 12/17/2010  11:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AGCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any help would be appreciated. Not the best of pictures but this is the best I can get. These indian gold are really hard for me. Any idea of value also?

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I would say either AU-55 or MS-63 hard to tell from these photos whether the coin has visible wear. In AU-55, value is about $285. In MS-63, about $650. Probably worth shipping off to NGC for an assessment of grade.
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I know, these things are so hard to grade. There are no specific wear points to gauge them on. Apparently since they have no raised rim I have read that you need to use the fields and not the devices to grade them. I am just a novice on these early gold.
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Usually on these you will find trace wear on the headdress, the eagle's feathers/breast, and the cheek if it is AU. The headdress on this coin looks REALLY CLEAN great detail. Might be some wear on the eagle's breast feathers but it is tough to tell from the photo and might just be a weaker strike. Most of the eagle wing feathers look great. Detail on headband looks good. Luster also showing in second photo.

(EDIT: Cheek also seems to have good relief not flattened out on top)

I think this has a decent shot at an MS grade
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Agree with Fenton, very difficult to grade from those pics, and indian gold is really tough to grade period. The indians face and bonnet look quite lustrous, but there appears to be a touch of rub on his cheek. I cant really interpret the reverse, so I'm going with AU-58.
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AU58 from the images but it could be MS62 if there are no luster breaks.
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Ok, got some new pictures of the coin. Hope this gives you a better eye at a grade. Any chance this could get MS?

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Any chance this could get MS?



There's certainly a chance it would grade MS but I believe it's an AU coin. It appears to have a couple light rubs and should grade AU55 or AU58. I could be wrong though. It's happened before!
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This coin is the perfect grade to buy these in, AU-58 the difference is the little nicks and barely decernable rub around the lettering that I can see in the large images, with the naked eye they would be really small and non distracting but the price difference for the difference in appearance is really appealing IMO.
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I do not think it could get an MS grade, some scratches behind the eagles back, what looks like a bad scratch from the ear to the 3rd star and another scratch pointing to the 5th star from the chin(see first picture of second post)
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