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 Posted 12/21/2010  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkarimi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zeewool , for the record I'm more than willing to openly converse about possibilities. But from the few posts here after asking for advice and yours, it seems that this is one of those forums that people just get smart with others. I pointed a few things out and nobody was able to answer that. Tell me how if it is chemically removed and replaced, that the seal is able to be pasted underneath the serial numbers. Thats what I've been asking. And Zeewool I looked very carefully, and the numbers appear to be over the seal.

If one can explain this to me, than the opinion has turned into fact which is even more invaluable and Id quit wasting my time over it.

I pointed out the fact that the pic posted, the checmically repasted seal was pasted over the serial numbers and any other material that is on the bill.

I appreciate everyone's opinions but I dont like how the attitude here seems to sway away from benefit of doubt. If one can explain how such an occurrence can occur, I wont even have to go to the bill shop. You guys pointed out something interested and I accepted the possibility of that. But even something as popularly collected as miscuts can be replicated.. I've been researching what you guys have pointed out and ran into some evidence where the seal was removed and pasted but the seal was faded to a noticable degree so that it appeared to be under the serial number, but this note it is not faded..

Thanks for everyones advice, once again. Good day. I feel like I'm not valued at this forum, so I will continue my research to a different one.

Sorry for any trouble this may have caused.
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12/21/2010 9:45 pm
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 Posted 12/21/2010  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But the fact that seal is printed underneath the serial number makes me to believe that its real.


Sorry, the seal is on top 8 ways till Tuesday, except for a couple tiny spots where the ink didn't fully transfer.

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 Posted 12/21/2010  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mkarimi, do not feel that you are not valued here....Your note is something that has been seen here quite a bit....If I was rendering an opinion, I would have presented it as such.....I state it as unquestionable fact....the note is altered....I could spend much time and words attempting to explain it all, but I really think that your notion of taking it to a coin shop for someone to examine in hand would be a better idea, as it might be far more convincing to you.


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I appreciate everyone's opinions but I dont like how the attitude here seems to sway away from benefit of doubt.


Don't take this the wrong way mkarimi, because I mean it with friendly gesture....The only doubt is yours....I have no doubts whatsoever that this note is altered, it is a very poor job at an alteration attempt, and really isn't fooling anyone here....stick around, and you may learn a thing or two, whether you are a novice or pro...there are some pretty sharp folks here that we can all learn from.
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 Posted 12/21/2010  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur that this is nothing more than an altered note. The smudge is much more than suspicious, that along with the fuzzy serial numbers directly below the smudge indicate that the District seal was removed, probably with a friction eraser. You are also dealing with two completely different kinds of ink. The BEP uses oil-based inks that do not readily soak into the stock. The fake District seal was applied with a ink pad hand stamp, the ink soaked into the stock. This is one of the most widely seen alterations found in circulation.
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12/22/2010 12:52 am
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 Posted 12/22/2010  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The words no collector want to hear is that a note is fake, but I wouldn't be doing you any favors if I said it wasn't when it obviously is.

That is an impossible error. Those district numbers are printed at the same time as the seal, if one is off... all have to be likewise off.

I can see you are upset about all this, but the people here just try to give it to you straight and sometimes tact doesn't come into play as strongly as it should.
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 Posted 12/22/2010  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Bill Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think mkarimi is trying to convince himself that it's real more so than anyone else. It will only be a matter of time and he will come around to the fact that it's not real.

"I feel like I'm not valued at this forum, so I will continue my research to a different one".

mkarimi If you find a better Currency forum please do let us know. I've searched around a lot and this is the best Currency forum by far on the Internet. These "people" really know there stuff.

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 Posted 12/22/2010  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peiper1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 12/22/2010  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mkarimi,

The same "FAKE" error different SN was recently brought up on the BST (buy sell trade) at collectors. There are a lot more "currency dealers" over there and check with them if you do not like the answers received here.

http://forums.collectors.com/messag...eadid=798807


IF I were you, I would turn into the bank for the "mutilation" / to be destroyed pile and call it a day as this would make a "positive" contribution to the hobby. Happy holidays.





PS

I wonder if "coin speaks" is on the circuit next (When does one of these show up there?)











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 Posted 12/22/2010  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bvalania to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Tell me how if it is chemically removed and replaced"

You can do this at home if you'd like another note to compare it to. First scan a bill onto your cpu. Next goto your local auto parts store and buy some brakeclean. Carefully spray the brakeclean over the seal, not too much or you'll take off some of the serial numbers like on the note in your pics. Then use any kind of brush or rag, but not too abrasive or it will chew up the paper, and scrub seal until you get desired look(whether it be faded or removed). Then you can wash it off in some water so you don't get a chemical smell. When your note is dry you can reprint the seal, that you scanned onto your cpu, wherever you'd like on the note. Or I've seen ppl selling the seal stamps on ebay, you can pick one up there to use if you'd prefer. Then let it sit with a whole bunch of circulated or CU notes to get that money smell back.

"seal is able to be pasted underneath the serial numbers."

It's not. But depending on how the ink sets you may get different results that may appear to be under, but again it's not.

Hope that answers your questions...
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 Posted 12/25/2010  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Randy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it was a fold over, the image would be reversed.
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 Posted 12/27/2010  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add monkeyman67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not know much about coins or currency, but the one thing I have learned on this site is that there are some very sharp people who know theit craft. If they are all saying it is a fake, it is. If they say it is real, it is. It doesn't take long to figure out that people here want to help not hurt you. They want you to have a rare expensive bill or coin. They enjoy when people find or cquire something great. If it is garbage an the group says so, chuck it. Maybe next time you will have something of value.
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