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Unidentified Coin (Possibly Copper) | Brazil 20 Reis

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 Posted 01/08/2011  11:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lincolns_ear to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently found a box of my late grandfather's personal effects. Inside were two coins; one was an 1887 U.S. Indian-head penny, and the other is this coin.

I scanned it, amped it up in Photoshop, so its qualities were visible. It is not in the best condition.

From the green on the coin, I think it is copper. The coin is 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in diameter, with a thickness of 1/8". On both sides, there's a "beaded" rim embellishment. (You'll have to excuse my complete lack of coin knowledge and terminology.)

The obverse features a right-facing man with a beard. He looks a lot like Charles Darwin. His head is bare. He faces to the right of the screen (his left). There are words written around almost the entire perimeter of the coin, and these words are illegible. Where the guy's beard is, I think it reads DEI, and it - like the other words/letters, is upside-down. So it's probably words written in Latin. There may be an "M," a "P," another "P," and even an "S" included in the other letters, but this is pure speculation.

The reverse includes a crest: it's a shield with a round circle on it that contains a globe with what appears to be a spyglass on it (I can't remember the official word for "spyglass"). The shield has a rounded crown upon it. To the left of the shield and crown are two characters. The first is a 2 and the second is most probably a 0 (to make 20), but perhaps the second character is a C (to make 2C), or a 5 (to make 25). To the right of the shield/crest is one character: either an are or a P (capital letter). Or maybe this is the handle of a sword. But I think it's a letter.

I'm taking the chance that someone simply recognizes this coin by sight or description. If this is not the case, I can highlight whatever areas on the coin are necessary to lead to an identification. My spouse and I did a coin rub, and that didn't help. We put it under lights, over a lightbox, onto a stamp pad, and in a lemon-juice-soaked cloth - none of these things helped, either. I've searched on Google and Google Images for hours, and have found nothing helpful. Thank you very much in advance of your help.

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 Posted 01/09/2011  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincolns_ear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, more Photoshopping. I think the words start at the 7 o'clock position. I believe that the first letter is a "P." At the 11 o'clock position, the two letters are "M" and "E," it looks like. Or at least it's "M" and "something else." Then that word ends. A new word begins at the 1 o'clock position, but I can't make out any more than that fact.

The last letter of the word before "DEI" is an "S." That "S" is at 4:30 o'clock.
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 Posted 01/09/2011  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a Brazilian 20 Reis from 1868-1870.
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 Posted 01/09/2011  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincolns_ear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! It sure is! Thank you so much, DCH! My family thanks you.

How did you ever do that?! :D
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 Posted 01/09/2011  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The beard did it!

Makes these coins easy to attribute. Good on yer, DCH! Ya beat me!
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 Posted 01/09/2011  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincolns_ear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, you smart people!

Those Latin words on the coin (which is bronze) are abbreviations, and read "PETRUS II D.G.IMP. ET PERP.BRAS.DEF" (Peter II by Grace of God Emperor and Perpetual Defender of Brazil).

The ruler on the coin, Dom Pedro II ("the second and last ruler of the Empire of Brazil" - Wikipedia), was a really sad fellow. Didn't really want to be the monarch of Brazil. Inexplicable exile. Lonely.

Context:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_II_of_Brazil

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&...8cda26d1a6ec

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&...8cda26d1a6ec

http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq...ain_ct_id=62 (features a photo of a real specimen, not my sad-sack specimen)
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 Posted 01/09/2011  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It reminds me of Philip II - Alexanders father...I think he may have been bearded on some of his....Good eye DCH:))
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