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1884-O Morgan Grade

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Would the hairline scratches take away from the grade?
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Would the hairline scratches take away from the grade?



Usually they will unless they are very minute and/or on a coin that it otherwise impaired.
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So is it worth keeping this coin?
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Can you post some pictures? If the coin is cleaned, the hairlines would likely not only be in the fields but would also appear on the devices. As I mentioned, chatter in the fields on a PL coin is VERY pronounced. Here is a PCGS MS-64 DMPL if it looks like this you are probably OK:

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Sorry, I cant take pictures. My Camera is being repaired, since I dropped it...

But, I can try to describe the coin as best I can. One the obverse there are some spots on the coin that look almost "hazy" (See my attached picture) In these "hazy" spots the hairlines are most visible. The "haziness" resmbles a coin that was polished, because the "haze" is only in the fields and does not touch "Lierty's" face.

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Now I am noticing that on the reverse, there are verticle lines that are all evenly spaced on the coin. These are not hairline scratches, and it looks like it is the coin's planchet.
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My coin looks like this, in the area's that are shown above.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1885-O-1-Silver...ht_500wt_922

Look around the "Plur" in "Pluribus"

Those "hazy" hairline scratch's.
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Those even spaced lines you refer to are planchet striations.
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On the e-bay picture, the marks around E PLUTIBUS are polish marks.
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Check to see if the fine lines are raised or recessed. If raised, they are likely from the mint and will not impair the grade
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I guess I will be returning the coin. I don't want a polished coin.


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Those even spaced lines you refer to are planchet striations.

Thanks, I will have to remember that.
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Check to see if the fine lines are raised or recessed. If raised, they are likely from the mint and will not impair the grade

It looks like they are raised.
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Die polish marks from the mint are okay. When the mint employees cleaned up the dies they polished them.

Now someone polishes the coin privately, that is not okay. Think of this way, we glorify the mint for doing this as it made some nice DMPL and PL coins, but deplore those who employ this tactic privately.
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Rule of thumb, if you have a loupe: Generally, post-mint polishing lines will not reach the exact edge of lettering and devices. They divert the brush, leaving a little area right at the edge of the letter where the bruch can't reach.

Mint polishing, being done on the die (a negative of the coin), will reach right to the edge of the fields and devices. Indeed, it's usually stronger right there since it's an edge.
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Generally, post-mint polishing lines will not reach the exact edge of lettering and devices.


The polishing lines are exactly like that.
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